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The coach has no problem with it and the player involved has no problem with it. You're the odd one out I'm afraid mate.

Nah mate. Frost: "I over-reacted in the heat of the moment and that happens as well. I over-reacted and made it look like a bigger deal than it was. He is expected to hold me to a high standard and that is what we want from 'Maysy' and all of our players." Source

So, if injuries are to blame, why did we have a midseason internal review that resulted in a coaching structure change?

I don't disagree with most of that mate, really good points. I agree there needs to be a wake up, and I think we've definitely gone backwards in terms of our culture of team selection, it's completely unbalanced from an outisders perspective. I'm just not in 100% agreement with dropping Oliver ahead of certain others (including Brayshaw & Viney, if we're talking the core midfield group), and you need to manage how you do this kind of thing as it can completely backfire. The other aspect is the destabilization after so much has happened the last few weeks.

I don't disagree that we need to hold the mids accountable, but who comes in? And how did dropping those players work out for Hinkley on Saturday night?

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So did Roosy. (Just for those who were planning on chiming in with the typical 'He chose Neeld, what would he know?!' rubbish)

No one is denying it was a massive weakness in that particular game, but who do you suggest we bring in that will solve it?

Not sure Goody is the best person to be telling them they're making the same mistakes over and over every week when he's continuing with the same game plan/style every week (that sees us currently 16th), even though rule changes and AFL trends (on top of fitness/injury issues) make it a complete disaster for us.

Brisbane did ok against us with someone FAR slower than Jones at half back.

Not sure calling Nathan Jones 'selfish' and saying he wouldn't 'put the club first' is very accurate or fair. We need a culture revamp amongst our supporters as much as we do our playing group it seems.

Think you've already had your turn by the looks of it.

Yeah, look I'm not super attached to the changes I listed, pretty open about it this week. As long as we're trying something different then I'm happy.

Yeah 100%. Even in a team with good delivery inside 50 that would be messy, so for us it could be horrible.

I actually would have both Smith and Weid coming out. Agree Smith hasn't been bad as such, just think we need to get back to 2 talls rather than 3 to try and lift the ground ball rate and open up the 50 a bit. For mine, I think TMac is more mobile than Smith so it makes more sense that he would balance out Preuss.

Yes. Do you understand what the chances are of trading someone you re-sign in that same season?

Yep, which is why he's writing for the AFL and not living off his lotto winnings. Was more just quoting a pretty respected footy writer given there was talk of phantom drafts. Just find it staggering that people are now using phantom drafts as a means to judging draft picks before they've even finished their first season. Bizarre.

Literally re-signed him a few weeks ago. 0 chance.

Cal Twomey is one of the most respect journos when looking at the draft. He had Sparrow going in the 30s with a bunch of clubs keen on him. Source The kid broke through for a few games in his first year before injury and has strengths we definitely need. Seems strange to be bagging this pick based on phantom drafts rather than actual outcome.

I get where you're coming from with JKH, but my reasoning is this: - The season is done. He's out of contract and has form so it's worth giving him the same chance now that Hannan and ANB have had over the last month (seeing he's earned it with VFL performance). - Still have to reward form and hunger. He had a ripper game for Casey, really wanted it, and when you compare that to a lot of our mids at senior level yesterday that at least would be an upgrade in attitude and effort. Probably fair comment on Smith. I do like his effort generally, just think we need to adjust our balance of talls at either end somehow. I'm actually exactly the same about Preuss. I've resisted calling for him to come in due to his lack of a tank, but at the very least Max will be sore (he could very well miss) so it seems a good time to bring him in for another taste. If we adjust that balance of smalls then we can hopefully minimize the impact of his lack of run in the second half. My main problem with yesterday was hunger and intent. The second half was as bad as I've seen in a long time in that regard, and I just fell like a bit of a wake up call for some of the 'cruisers' could be helpful.

Sometimes a situation is too nuanced and complicated for some to be able to 'chew' it properly and digest it, and so they just throw up straight away. Looks like it's 'Hyperbole Round' on Demonland this week. Gee these theme rounds are getting very specific now hey?

Feel free to contribute something on topic mate. Some of us are still keen to talk footy and ways forward rather than self-pleasure ourselves with hyperbole and rhetoric.

Who said it was 'abuse'? What did he actually say? How was he distracted? He didn't stop him and start telling him off during the play. May is a former club captain and a high quality defender, if Frost is doing something not in the team rules then he's going to set him straight. During the game is the perfect time to do that so that Frost will know better next time. I love Frosty, love that he's unique as a player and he seems a great bloke, but geez if we're going to start to tell our leaders to start reigning in their passion then we're only going further down the path of insipid efforts like those displayed today by so many.

I'm not super passionate about those changes, just trying to think of how to re-jig things while rewarding form. The players out there today just looked to 'comfortable', like they know their spots are safe and the season is done and they don't have to go as hard. I'd actually be keen on playing Lewis more forward where his ball use going inside 50 could provide a good example. Potentially could play JKH at HB in that scenario. Also wouldn't mind C.Wagner or Dunkley getting a look in at this stage.

So, you're saying that during a game is not the time to have 'heat'? Bizarre.