Demons1858

It's not over until the trade period is over! Freo have stopped the 'public' due diligence process.

Yep, why would MFC lose an A grade talent like Hogan and not get the picks we need to get May across the line

Sorry AF, I'm happy to assume that he has nominated Freo but hasn't gone public. Happy to read between the lines on this one

Well done to Dom. Still remember our win interstate against Adel in the difficult years where he kicked a late goal for the dees. Gave us hope when we needed it and will be remembered fondly

The fact mfc and freo are in heavy negotiations more than likely indicates that Jessie has told MFC he wants to go. It also suggests he and Freo have also agreed to contract terms. But don't expect Jessie to come out and say that publicly as he doesn't want egg on this face if it falls through

If there is a genuine 2nd club in this then I'm guessing its Sydney as they have some history of coming in from no where ... an alternative is it is a rumour designed to invigorate the market place and / or sell papers / listeners

Correct. Very risky move though for the player and potential club so doubt / hope this doesn't happen. In any case don't think Jessie would do that to mfc given the positive relationship we have with him

Do some research and understand the basics of how the draft and trade period works Einstein. We don't get an opportunity to match the offer if he goes into the draft and he's not a free agent. Fact

You asked for an example, l didn't have to but l have you one. Move on. l am

This is getting boring. We would have this years 1st rounder and future selections to work our way into a trading position for him.

Haven't you been watching the trades so far. It's not rocket science. Clubs are trading picks for picks to jostle to a position that allows them to get the player they are targeting.

No! But we would be able to use that to bundle up the right package as collateral.

Is it too sensitive for some supporters to bring up the fact that if we held firmer with the Lever trade, we would be able to get May without needing the picks from Freo

The danger in being consistently pragmatic and making guarantees to players, is that clubs know you will give in somewhat and therefore negotiate with you on that basis. With the Lever trade and other lesser trades, clubs now know our trading philosophy I'm not sure longer term if it won't hurt us

Agree for the most part. Preuss is really the one we need given the season can fall apart pretty quickly if Max goes down. Others would be great. Problem with all the interconnected trades though is that they involve contracted players and clubs can hold on to Neale, Hogan and May. Deals typically get done in the end though and we still have a number of days to go. The fact Freo have traded picks suggested they are getting ready for a Hogan deal and MFC must have given them some clear guidelines. Until then, don't expect May and Hogan to declare their hand either as they won't want to have egg on their faces. I will know Hogan is gone to Freo when the MFC roll out their 'Hogan to Freo' PR campaign to manage supporter angst

Bit harsh

Agree, no one will want him. Perhaps that is part of the Freo plan to wake him up and realise he only has 1 more year to make a change.

Can't blame him for being attracted to job security. What VFL player knocks back a 4 year deal? MFC would have sold the fact that Hogan will likely to be going and he has the chance to prove himself as our 3rd tall (note that Goodwin gave Spencer every chance to combine with Gawn previously). At worst, he will play games where teams have strong dual rucks combo's or when Gawn is injured. Going to 6:6:6 next year means the ball will be in the air so he would back himself to get a game. Re Jessie, don't expect any news on that for some time. He is obviously wanting to go, but why would he make a fool of himself and nominated Freo only to find out shortly after that the Freo and Bris negotiations fall through and the draft picks Freo need from Neale deal are no longer available and return to MFC with his tail between his legs. Likewise May holding off on a decision

The intensity of afl players around stoppages has increased significantly in recent years and he lacks in his area, is a poor kick, gets caught hold the ball looking for the best option, and has poor defensive attributes. True that he is the next best if we have an injury to a mid but he would be one of the better paid BACKUP mids in the comp. From a money ball perspective his backup mid role can be replaced and cap space utilised elsewhere

Two wrongs don't make a right. Bontempelli was there for the taking also

Seems we lost the salem/tyson vs kelly trade its safe to say. No disrespect to either player just reality

Absolutely correct. We did pay overs for Lever who was uncontracted. Hogan is contacted so 2 first rounders would be required. Happy for us to throw a 2nd or 3rd round pick back at Freo to get the deal done

Seems alot to pay for a bloke with concussion issues that are now miraculously fixed but yet GC still dont seem to want to fight to keep him and has been inconsistent. My biggest concern however is how do l pronounce / yell his name on match day! Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue

Frost easily the first out without a second thought but Mahoney implied recently that they would be around if May was signed

North offer (being the largest financially amongst other clubs) would have been used to drum up a better offer at his preferred club being west coast. Doubt he was ever leaving. Manager declaring it s between north and west coast was purely strategic in my view. Can polec pull out still?