Demons1858

Does it matter? You can't be serious. Of course it does. Why even have a draft order if it doesn't matter. We are going to get a lesser player next year because we haven't got a 1st rounder. 2nd rounders rarely get you a decent player. We should have got the same trades done for less so its irrelevant that we are easy to deal with. Being hard nosed doesnt seem to have hurt carlton and esse

Gotta have mob forward pressure, that's where the game has been going increasingly so since Aaron Davey showed the way and perfected the run down Inconsistent talent isn't tolerated any more e.g. Motlop, Stringer, Watts

The will give a late pick at best but more likely just do a swap of late picks ... don't stress

Time to move onto the Balic thread ... 9 years wasted

Waiting ... waiting ...

Don't waste any time ...

Finding it hard to stop myself from plethora of puns ...

Batting a touch above his averages most would agree ...

I think at some point people need to consider the other side also. To get value you need a market place and Jack has attracked the interests of clubs looking for a fire sale and are offering trades that reflect that. MFC has always been a fair trader (perhaps even a little soft). Reason we can't get a decent pick is because people see Jack for this strong strengths and equally strong weaknesses. Being a top bloke really doesn't count alot unless you channel that into some off field leadership that can drive the club

Have a thing for Lisa. Suspect I'm not the only one

Might also be that clubs won't swap players they normally would for picks in a shallow draft

True. Some other reasons perhaps: Trading future round picks makes things a little quieter the next year. Destination clubs like Hawt and Geel did that last year. Collingwood are normally busy also but are rethinking their mature recruiting strategy after White, Lynch, Mayne, Wells etc. 20% increase in salary means that players are perhaps more content and extra coin from other clubs is a little less important now. Fewer decent free agents on the market and big guns like Martin and Kelly signing before hand.

They are only 'out' until they are back in

He wants to go to Geelong but the offer is better at Port. Problem is he is priority 3 with them after Ablett and Stringer. So they need to drop first

Don't take it for granted its been 9 years in the making

Thanks oh wise one. Here is one for you, I made this one up myself. 'Most do not pay extra for value that can be gotten for less'

Can you show me one new article where an industry person has indicated we paid under's? I can show you a heap of them that say we paid overs and that's because we did. Also listened to SOS this morning talking about how he expects less trade value for uncontracted players than contracted players like Gibbs.

Watt are we going to post about with out Jack!

Can you have an independent opinion without making references to some sort modeled points system which is a guide at best. Points don't consider whether the players is out of contract. Points don't take into consideration that Lever was prepared to go to the draft and put a price on his head. They don't consider their current marketing value. They don't consider their proven (not potential) leadership etc etc. At best, we should be paying a fair bit below what the best player in the comp is worth and it shouldn't be so line ball. Tom Mitchell was a 1st rounder for Christ sake

Thanks for your input fifty. Still doesn't change the fact we have him contracted for 4 yrs on not 10. We expect he will play 10 for someone likely to be us but no certainty. Also doesn't change the fact we paid overs but not by as much as some are suggesting. The best player in the comp came cheaper then Lever The Cats have given up young midfielder Dean Gore as well as picks No.9 and No.28 to snare the superstar midfielder. The Cats gain Dangerfield and Adelaide's third-round draft pick, currently No.50. Gore was recently delisted by the way and was really just the 'steak knives'

Macca, i've seen it before. Clearly your not a data scientist by trade. The sampling is poor and l recall debating that with you on another thread where you rolled out those stats. Not going into it again however as its been done to death Lets agree to disagree. We can also agree that Lever looks the goods and will make us better in 2018

There must be something going on with Schache. Clubs would normally be falling over themselves for a promising key forward.

Stats on here have been badly skewed and sampled On average a gun or likely young gun is recruited with every two top picks. Lets hope Lever is a gun otherwise we lose. No player is worth 3/4 top picks including oliver. You can't be serious. If Lever wasn't out of contract then l would understand why we oaid overs

Your actually agreeing with me now 'l reckon ... almost ... ' will. Thats what l said 2 posts ago its not guaranteed but it may be likely. End of convo