titan_uranus

Mate, if St Kilda are going to offer pick 7, GC will be signing this deal up ASAP. We’re out of this race.

I’m happy it’s just a 2 year deal. Have always rated him but at his age the end could come very quickly. Just 2 years IMO is suitable to bring in someone who knows how to play a leading forward role in modern footy. Should help JVR and Kentfield develop whilst allowing Petty to return to the backline, where he belongs.

Yeah St Kilda is such a triggering club on here. They’re going sideways from Marshall to TDK but at double the salary hit. Silvagni’s played, what, 3 games in 2 years? A great role player but does he move the finals needle? Ryan’s well past his best (imagine the reaction if we were interested in him!) Aleer’s a promising defender but promising is all - unproven at AFL level. Which leaves Flanders. A good get, one I wished we had snared, and confirmation we are a really tough sell to any prospective player. But contrary to @Bring-Back-Powell ’s pessimistic scaremongering, St Kilda’s true form this year was firmly bottom 6 and worse than us. Again, if we had won 4 of the last 5, all against bottom 6 sides, and all by single digit scores, anyone on here who would dare suggest that was a sign of improvement would be howled down. They had a bad year but with salary cap space they’ve thrown money and it’s stuck. A reminder to people on here that we’re by and large less attractive to play for than what ought to be considered an irrelevant club not anywhere near a flag.

If Trac’s gone and there’s any way that the price for Trac is Humphrey, that’s a deal I can get around.

Put to one side whether you think moving on from Clarry is a good idea. Is this the right way to do it? Tell him 2 business days prior to trade period to find a new home? Let it leak? Destroy bargaining power? All the while remembering that he’s under a sizeable contract that can’t be ripped up - meaning the only outcome now is for us to trade him for a packet of chips whilst we pay him 30-50% of his salary? Be supportive of the new management all you want, but we are still, right now a mess.

No one responsibly acting in Clarry’s best interests would let him forego that sort of money.

If it’s true that we’re going to tell Clarry to look around (and note that @Dannyz says this isn’t actually the case), this is terrible planning/management IMO. Trade period starts on Monday. Clarry has one of the biggest contracts in the league. If we want clubs to come for him, we’ve left them no time to plan. Meanwhile we put him offside yet again, after last year’s Pert-led debacle. I’m hopeful @Dannyz is on the money, simply because the alternative makes the club look dumb.

You have said a lot that we ought to “keep cap space”, and that because of Pickett and Oliver we don’t have much to work with. What do you suggest is the reason we need to “keep” the space? We have to pay 95% of it, won’t we? And with the higher cap, I don’t think clubs are now restricted to only two large contracts.

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Personally, I hate this. Trac's probably my favourite ever MFC player. Watching him annihilate the Dogs on Grand Final day in 2021 and propel us into relevance was as proud a moment as most of us have ever had as MFC supporters. It stings, bad, that a knee from Darcy Moore could spiral this way so fast. But equally, I applaud the club's maturity. Unlike last year, we're writing to members about it, and we're also allowing him to go explore in the public eye. Go and find us a deal that is reasonable. If not, you can come back and front up to the leaders you're trying to abandon. Isn't that Oliver's contract (i.e. indexed with TPP increases)? I've never heard of that being a Trac contract thing.

You did it again - Smith won his side a final in 2021. You seriously have unbridled ability to cherry pick singular moments! Also yes he was amazing this year (albeit with a side of dickheadishness). Caleb Daniel may have been under contact but was awful, and in no way was worth 25 under contract before or after that trade (plus how old is he? Judd’s 22). Anyway, my point is that 11 is as unreasonable as 38, which you think we’ll be “lucky to get” because Judd got torched by Rankine. And whilst I don’t currently believe McVee will be AA next year, I think he has potential to be an AA defender, and I’d like to see us ask for remuneration in a trade which reflects that. Again, in the context of everything, not just one game.

You really do have a penchant for highlighting singular examples to make your points. Last year Caleb Daniel was traded for pick 25. Based on that, he’s worth 11 a lot more than he’s worth 38. And Judd played a bad game this year vs Rankine? Cool. Shall we go through all the good things he’s done since debuting, plus his age, skill set and importance to us moving forward? Or is context not really your thing?

Get ready for the whole “why would anyone go to Melbourne” narrative to be run 10273 times per day as Trade Radio starts in 2 hours and runs for 2.5 weeks. Kane’s on every day!

29’s a terrible outcome for us. He’s deserting us. He can get Freo to work out how to send us 11.

Agree. I’m filthy. We gave him his chance. If he wants midfield time, he won’t get it at Fremantle. We can’t afford to lose talent right now, not in his age bracket and with his ceiling. And he’s clearly done @Ghostwriter an absolute dirty.

I don’t agree with the key forward point. They’d only have one flag if Daniher hadn’t dominated last year’s finals series. And with Andrews impassable, I reckon Geelong would have liked having a decent key forward (with two unbroken arms) to try to make an aerial contest. Neale wasn’t capable. Also worth wondering how it would have gone had Stewart been available to intercept and to make Gallop/the rest ruck more honest.

I don’t know if the stats reflect this but watching yesterday it felt to me like they got on top in the third through contest dominance. It was old school midfield brutalisation that changed the game, I thought, rather than back half scoring off transition.

Logan Morris’ repeat leads and contests in the air brought the smaller forwards into play. Ty Gallop was average but provided an outlet at times. At the other end, Harris Andrews was dominant because Shannon Neale was awful. Good tall forwards aren’t just measured by goals.

I’m just talking about this season, particularly in comparison to Geelong. Agree with the premise - the good fortune of their father son additions coming in right as their list was peaking has taken them to this level. Huge amount of luck. Likely 0 flags without the Ashcrofts. It doesn’t help equalisation that they’ll now add Draper and Allen.

Don’t get me wrong, their sustained top 4 finishes and prelims leave most of the rest of the competition for dead. I wouldn’t be mocking them for losing finals; we can’t lose finals if we don’t even make them. But this year in particular, AFAIK they’ve had a good run with injuries, a good fixture, and everything there for them to win today. And when it was all said and done, didn’t get close.

St Kilda’s ladder position and W-L record flattered them significantly. Their last 4 wins were all by a kick. Huge amounts of luck required (none more so than against us). They’d be kidding themselves if they thought they did well this year; their aggressive trade approach is consistent with them acknowledging they are nowhere right now. What’s sad is that despite all that, they have more members than us.

Please confirm you’re being sarcastic.

Brisbane had plenty go wrong this year. Injuries, a ridiculously hard fixture, then losing the first final and Neale doing a calf. To win despite all that is an elite achievement. Geelong, meanwhile, have everything you could ask for and still [censored] the bed in the Grand Final. I absolutely love it.