ArtificialWisdom

I agree he is not worth that much and I'm pretty sure is just a desperate brissy offering that. I think you will find he and Watts are very similar, endless gut running that results in easy goals. Only difference is with a class midfield Jenkins gets rewarded more frequently with Joe the goose goals and Watts stands all alone in the goal square glowing red from all the times he is burnt by his teammates. We have bigger priorities but Jenkins would be a good pickup. Rather him than Dawes or Pedo

If he came to us and kicked 2-4 goals a game he can pick all the cherrys he wants! Thats his job.

Was that 50m penalty the worst you had seen all year? I couldn't believe what he was doing!

A problem we have with just about anyone worth while that we attempt to get in this off season, That said they will be after academy points which always helps with trade. I also expect us to attempt to get a first rounder or 2 through some academy point and/or player swaps

That little bit there is exactly why I cant understand the hate on Tom. Jetta spend the first half of his career being little more than a slow, small, turnover machine. Part of the reason he was rookied. Given time and development he has cleaned up his disposal and despite the occasional mistake he is now reliable coming out of defence. Why is everyone so quick to want to throw Tom away when he has more upside than Jetta ever had. If, and only if, we can get another KPD and younger players like Frost and Omac can develop into more than what they are now, then we can start to entertain the idea of Tom being moved on. Right now we need to keep him at all costs and continue to work on him for what he is: A young defender that 17 other clubs would love to have.

Sounds exactly like Lloyd does when he is talking

Jumping the gun a bit on that. I'll ignore Tom because there is a whole thread on that and its getting absurd. then there is Oscar who you question his size and urgancy fine but you cant question his disposal. when he has the ball in space he us usually pretty effective. He is skinny but if he keeps bulks up and keeps his current disposal then i wont be too conserned. Better than many on our team. Frost is young and never going to be a slick user but his size, run and long kick is more than enough to compensate.

I feel like that is partially right. Depends on the contract details. If you can get him in for 3 or 4yr deal front ended with say 500k the first and drop it down each year. That might be worth a look. You always pay overs to get a player in. Make him prove he is worth another 500k deal over that time, he has the potential. But like I said, other priorities but well worth a peek.

Half back, High half forward and the wingman. Put everyone in the middle and run in waves, thats the plan!

Not a horrible idea, would be a right side better than Dawes. But he is still the only KPD we have and i think we are a year off getting a big trade target so for the time being we have little choice but to persist.

I like him, wouldn't be super high on the priority list but he has what we lack and if they can bring out some competitiveness in him then he could very well be worth a look. You're right you can't carry too many, but you need some, a full team of inside competitors just doesnt work. We have Stretch developing well on one wing Taylor on the other would work pretty well I think.

You are kidding right??? Dawes uncontested 20m grubber kick and you have the audacity to suggest Tom was in any way responsible for that turnover?? that is enough to show you have no understanding of football Blatant throw? yes, but will one arm held and no great skill he was alway going to get pinned holding the ball. Tracc had the same thing happen to him later in the game he kicked it and turned it over as well, where is his crucifiction? As Undeeterred said this is nothing more than confirmation bias. Go back through the game and start counting the number of spoils/marks/pressure acts he made to stop an adelaide score and suddenly he will look more valuable. Assuming for 5 seconds that your ludicrously flawed logic is correct and he did cause 5 goals i can guarantee that you can find more times he prevented a score and given adelaide's high accuracy odds on most of them would have been goals Im not saying you dont have the right to be frustrated by his mistakes we all are. But if you had half the understanding of football as the rest of us you would know that right now even with all his mistakes he still prevents more scores than he causes. We need more! but Tom does far more than you give him credit for.

He played as a 3rd wingman at times on Sunday. It worked pretty well. I preffer them to run him off half back because then he isnt so effected by the direction of the ruck tap a couple of times it went the wrong side and we just ended up a man short at the contest. Either way when we have so many players some fit, some injured fighting for HBF roles playing Hunt as a wingman/loose man is actually becoming more viable. Having so much pace makes him dangerous as the loose man he can get to more contests than most.

We finally have players that are too good for that level. Only a few years ago we had players that were ok/good at VFL level then couldn't play AFL of now but now we have young/fringe players like Oliver, Brayshaw, Tracc, Harmes, Kennedy who go to the VFL and are simply too good, then they just have to play AFL. Even Matty Jones who I wouldn't have had in this catagory before this year has shown he is too good for VFL.

You are possibly correct, however now Watts has this form we dont need him on the ball to find form. I have liked him in the ruck and I do not say we should bring spencer in to take watts out of the middle i say it to take Hogan out of the goal square and Dawes out of the team. Watts right now is our Mr fix it. He can play FF, FB, as a mid, ruck or on a wing. Dawes is a 1 dimentinal CHF who is wildly out of form. Hogan can play FF and CHF but has shown far better form at CHF. Spencer is a 2m tall forward threat who is in form and can dominate any pinch hit ruckman who he will be facing. All i can say is right now would you rather Hogan, Dawes forward with Watts in the ruck or Hogan, Watts forward with Spencer in the ruck, As far as i can tell given Dawes form (or lack there of) the answer is easy. Dawes in form? then the answer changes, but he is a detriment right now. Spencer I dont think is. Not to mention Gawn can drop down to maybe 70% ruck duties and spend time forward he can clunk them pretty well too. Roos said round 1 that we won because we were more flexible. I would argue that Dawes makes us far less flexable.

Yeah i didnt look but the players talk about it being slippery every time they go up there. If it is going to be dry then that should increase Spencers chances

Thats what happens when we play so many inside mids. They all get drawn in because they want to win the ball. Which normaly isnt a bad thing individually but as a team it doesnt work. Having the likes of Kent, Hunt, Stretch, and M Jones playing on the outside made us look better at times because there was someone out with space. When those blokes wern't on the outside of the contest we struggled.

I kind of agree with you his disposal seems to be getting worse, but his poor disposal is usually in tough circumstances. We see jones shoot out a poor handball under heavy pressure or try to hit a man 30m+ away with his left foot. Both of which are difficult for anyone, particularly a player who has always had more will than skill. The ones we don't accept are the Dawes 20m pass along the ground from a free kick, the Tmac in 10m of space somehow finding a way to get smothered the Bernie handball to play on when the reciever isnt watching. Jones turns it over as much as anyone, but the circumstances are usually quite different. His set shots have gotten worse though, I felt like last year and the year before if he had a set shot anywhere you could pencil it in before he kicked it but he missed another 50-50 type shot in the 1st qtr. That said he is still better than some...

When he is getting side stepped by Jacobs then I have to start questioning that.

Spencer as an individual probably wouldnt add much, maybe a goal if he gets a mark or a free kick (we would need a bit of luck). But Hogan up the ground will get us 3/4 more marks 60-70m out which will hopefully turn into scoring opportunities. That and Watts who has developed some chemestry with Hogan and that leaves them both forward together for longer periods with Spence in the ruck instead. Them together is more dangerous than Hogan and Dawes. That said It is Darwin this week so the possibility of it being slipery means it may be worth holding off on the second ruckman and give Dawes another chance. If they do play dawes again I want to see him left as the deeper forward, take away the pressure of marking and tell him just to make a contest. In the CHF role we need marks not a contest. FF a mark is less imortant so much as a contest for the crumbers to impact on.

He did get a chest mark in the 3rd qtr and a handball off to the player running past... I remeber because of the loud bronx cheer... Other than that I'm out of ideas

Actually yeah you are right but that handball was much more rudimentary and I think Spence could handle that one. The Hogan one not so much.

Probably not but Hogan did that and unless I was completely messing up I was saying drop Dawes not Hogan.

Neither, I'd do it myself, the odds are far better

Agreed he just needs to take a breath, but at the same time i love his urgency, alot of our players just dont seem urgent enough with ball in hand. Tracc is a get it and run type player, he has the "ill sort that [censored] out when i get to that point" attiude to getting rid of the ball. Means occasionaly he is going to kick one like that to nobody but sometimes he is going to hit a forward when the defenders are all out of position which is far more valuable than going back and taking a slow free kick.