Jarka

Red Sox, what position did he play?

Perhaps, but I bet Kreuzer isn't carrying a servere back injury. It's an injury which could profoundly effect his career.

There have been lesser things than barracking for Melbourne that have turned people to the drink so you're excused

Yeah I agree, this is all or nothing for the kid. I've defended him since he was drafted but even I will lose my patience with him if he fails now.

We're fighting out of our weight division but that shouldn't stop Bailey from changing the gaem plan that will continue the development of what he wants the team to eventually get to. I honestly don't mind these big thrashings because I believe that I understand what Bailey is trying to achieve and some short term pain will eventually see results.

Oh well, at a time when the club identified that we needed key deenders he had shown a bit, so at the time you could argue he was worth a punt.

This thread definitely deserves soem thought, however it's what our players didn't do and not the final score that worries me. A team can still be well beaten all over the ground but still endeavour to do the basic, something that we didn't.

*Boom boom tish* Nah, we'll just take him in the psd

Well, one thing is for certain, we should have ample room in our salary cap with all the retirements and delistings that should occur.

WRONG!! Here's what I really posted: Don't make stuff up to back up your argument My personal opinion is that Frawley's not up to it and in reality he has yet to demonstrate anything to suggest otherwise; last season or this current one. Now you ladies can keep on posting your highly amusing diatribes but the fact remains is that it's my opinion. Your posts aren't going to change my opinion without solid hard facts to back yourself up, all you do is attack my view <_< I've posted my reasons and I've also posted my views on our poor drafting of KPP's over the last decade, and yeah I've copped alot of crap on this site from the usual crew, but the fact remains that we now have a list which is devoid of talented KPP's and rucks. Personally I hope I'm wrong about Frawley as it just means yet another valuable pick wasted and it will set us back even further

LOL, now you're arguing with Craig Cameron. Good luck, let me know how it pans out. BTW, his finger injury was during 2003, and CAC's comments I posted were made at the end of that season http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/...9849339978.html But keep digging my friend. (You're right, this is fun )

No, they have since stated that that was an error. The same thing happened when Freo got Farmer, they were found to be over their salary cap but the AFL said that they wouldn't do the same penalty...

I'm not convinced about Bartram yet H, but gee I hope I'm wrong. All I see is another Godfrey, a bit of a goer but lacks the talent and skill to be nothing more than a run-with player, and yes every team needs these types, it's just that we seem to have our fair share.

Cheers Fatty, I appreciate your post. I have no problems with Axis, in fact at this precarious state of our existence rigourous debates and discussions are healthy, but as my previous posts highlights you still need to base your views on facts ( ). I prefer to let people like this dig their own graves and just apply a gentle nudge to finish them off

This is a summary of a demonland chat session with Craig Cameron where he discusses various topics including Daniel Bell. It's leading up to the 2003 draft and this is what he has to say about Bell's 2004: "Daniel Bell was a certainty, however, his injury will keep him out for nearly the whole year" http://www.demonland.com/Chat.htm I also know that he missed alot of footy in 03 due to injuries, one of which was a finger. Interesting, this would give the impression that you are simply making things up...having fun fitting that square peg into the round hole? Let me know if you want to continue the fun

LOL, Nasher was the one who said he should be protected because he is skinny. Morton was also one of the few players who actually put his body on the line last week, not bad for a 'skinny' winger.

Heh, poor bastard, that's a bad nickname to pick up.

My comments on Frawley is based on what I've seen of him, other posters views and the views that several junior coaches had on him before the draft. I value the judgements of the latter highly because they see the kids every week, unlike the majority of posters on these forums who probably have never even been to a junior game at a suburban ground. If that's simple then I guess the fat, keyboard hero slobs have something to teach me /shrug Also your comparison with Bell is humorous considering at the same stage of their careers Bell had shown alot more potential, he just had problems with injuries and stringing games together. I'm not convinced on Bartram, but overrating players seems to be a favourite past time of Melbourne supporters, hell, in recent years we've turned it into an art form. I didn't make the comparison with Garland, Nasher did, so really your pov on that is irrelevant

LOL, what are you smoking today? Reread my reply, I already stated that I presumed that you would have read the Sandy reports on this website to get an idea of how frawley is performing and then you get all narky because of where you live and giving me [censored] for it saying that I should be aware that you're unable to go Sandy games. FFS calm down

Wow, you didn't even read my previous reply properly did you? *shakes head*

Except for the fact that the basis of your argument that Garland should be playing ahead of Frawley is because he is 4 kg heavier, but in reality Frawley is indeed heavier. Gotta love people trying to deflect their f*** ups

Gee, thanks for the personal abuse, can you please keep the discussion directed at the topic. You should know better but obviously that's not the case, while we're on this topic how the [censored] could I possibly know that you have no idea of his performances at Sandy? I would presume that you read the Sandy reports here on this website, so ffs don't get your knickers in a knot over something pathetic. Are you serious? Playing on a great forward like Buddy he'd have the best seat in the house to learn when a good forward leads for the ball, the timing of his runs and attack at the footy. How a good midfield moves the ball from their backline to the forward, where to run to and where not to run to. How is he going to learn from playing on chumps at Sandy? We've had a heap of KPP's play alot of footy at Sandy and only one of them have come through to play well at AFL level, so our system is clearly not working.

OOPS!

So what do you think of his performances for Sandy so far this year? Btw I think you're talking rubbish. Now is the time to play him, following good forwards around when they're at their best is an ideal way to fasttrack his learning. Playing on chumps at Sandy will do nothing for his development.

You don't have to have great leg speed to move the ball quickly, but you do need to have a good football brain backed up with the ability to perform under pressure...