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The criticism isn't always about shortened quarters...it's also about doing it away from the cauldron of the MCG and without the distraction and pressure that the normal week brings. Even though we absolutely [censored] it in, I do wonder whether we would have got it done at the G. We'll never know but there's enough fragility about this group to suggest to me the forced relocation and togetherness was actually an advantage rather than a hurdle.

I agree mate. It was both one of the best and saddest days I've had. Obviously very thankful and grateful it happened and I was well and healthy to see it (on the box...in lockdown), but not being able to have the week - the special, quintessential Melbourne week - that I've seen others have just sucked. I just want that week - that the pies had, the tigers x2, the dogs, so many cats fans, so many older Hawks fans - and to attend the game with my brother in the flesh.

Might just be me but I don't see it with Langford

Hawks playing very well and are the flavour of the month...doesn't necessarily mean it ends in a flag. Although it is a particularly weak year. Reminds me a lot of us 2018 - we were fun to watch, young, having fun, stormed through the first two finals. That year certainly put us on the path to a flag though we had a few more bumps to navigate first. Hawks may be similar.

What possibly makes you think pick 5 is not a gamble? It has a chance of landing a 'plug and play midfielder' - it also has a chance of landing Jimmy Toumpas. Don't get me wrong - I like the draft pick - but this is a classic case of opting for the mystery box over the known quantity In relative terms - pick 5 is at least as much of a gamble as Dan Houston

Pretty effing bizarre if you ask me. Did they honestly expect it not to get out? Or that clubs would find a way to make it work? Super weird thing to do to your employer who you supposedly respect

Mate he had a horror year and couldn't get the money he was offered last year. He's taken the $ and security and will back himself to get back to that value...and then request

Yeah it was a long time ago - I'd need to scour the net for every interview McVee has ever done. Might have been a pod actually from memory, early on in his career. Said he'd like to return to WA one day. Could have meant post footy and he was very early, but pricked my ears at the time.

McVee already flagged he wants to return to Perth. It was a very early interview before he'd found any success. But I expect it to happen one day once he has adequately increased his worth to be able to make the request

Didn't WCW tell us she spoke to his partner and they were beyond happily settled in Melb?

He's a ball hunting mid imo. Not sure why the FD haven't seen it

Despite all of that...you're missing the point. He elected to bump. How circumstances turned against him after that election are irrelevant. He elected to bump and concussed a player. It's a textbook suspension, everything else is irrelevant

Thanks mate

You're right to raise it, but most are not capable of thinking from anyone's POV other than their own. Especially within an emotionally coloured hypothetical. The true answer is yes - if it was Maynard, they'd be baying for blood.

You all need to focus less on his feet being taken or Moore on the ground and more on his raised elbow. That's all this is

Voila

Correct

Showed more than many others last night. He's been treated poorly by both coaching staff and fans. Should have played the entire 2nd half of the year with our midfield out. He was not the only player to turn it over kicking to Petty, who consistently runs to the wrong places and is continually out of sync with the rest of the team. Being able to take a contested mark does not make you a forward. Everywhere you look this coaching staff has players out of position, square peg round hole stuff. Totally Maddening

Not sure what's happened , but his back half of the season has been very poor - he's looked very low on confidence, disinterested in anything physical and just completely lacking verve and desire. I have zero Intel, but strongly suspect something happened in his personal life that's thrown him for six. Partner, family, dog - reckon something's happened. Hasn't looked himself for 3 months

You said it. Thankyou. The happy clappers can get [censored]. We are consistently bullied by this club and show nothing.

He's been given a bigger midfield shot than Laurie. Undeservedly. If you genuinely think McVee shows promise as a mid, I'm not going to bother arguing with you.

If we can't find some genuine mids, we're bottom 4. Worst midfield in the AFL by a mile right now.

Collingwood played tonight with zero big forward. Repeat....ZERO. Will Hoskin Elliott was their big forward. That's what a coaching staff with balls and ingenuity do. Persisting with Petty to the detriment of his development and the teams development for a total output of 8 goals or something for the year is proof that our stubborn, idiotic coaching staff are going nowhere in the modern game. He should have spent the entire season back, learning from May before he finishes up. Tomlinson basically played for the opposition tonight and Hore not much better. I just can't...seriously. Bailey Laurie is a reasonably high pick who's had 3 years of vfl midfield invested in him. Topped all the running pre season. With our midfield decimated, he doesn't get a shot. Instead we throw our brilliant, 1v1 winning, tall/small skinny damaging half back into a role that anyone who actually understands footy can tell he has no scope for. So McVee gets the benefit of learning midfield on the job, while Laurie does not. Yeah Laurie might not be great....but he really hasn't had a shot. Certainly not the shot that McVee has had the last 3/4 games putting up shameful midfield numbers and showing he has no idea how to operate in congestion or even off balance. The place is run by [censored]. Genuinely. They've no idea.

It's both mate

Looks like a suspension to me. 3-4.