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Smile, nod knowingly and say I never doubted us for a minute. Then in my defence say, really I never thought we would lose I was confident we would win. Scoffs of derision from the family would be heard and repairs organised for the furniture, plus get the dog back from the pound. (Why do dogs run away during fireworks?)

Woke up exhausted this morning, I played a couple of quarters of football in my dreams. I managed to run through Dangerfield & Selwood did't get to Ablett, Viney had already removed him from the game. Max is a great tap ruckman, and Oliver is a great team mate. I woke up when the missus elbowed me for unduly rough play. PS: We won by 46points.

Damn, organised my wedding for September 29th! I went and paid top dollar for two great seats to the GF, so can anyone help me out? Her name is Julie and the wedding is at St Mary's at 2pm, good luck go dees! (Oldie but a goodie)

But we are the reigning premiers! (One of them)

Charlie is taller than I thought.

MudDogs you are some kind of graphic artist, that is a special piece of work there. The way the fox halo hovers over Mikes head is remarkable. A deft hand, hard to see how you did that.

Leave the gro-lights on a bit longer

Then don't discuss it! Next people will be saying close demonland because we don't like what is said on it. If we want to talk about a subject and we do so respectfully and within the sites rules who are you to rain on the parade?

Bob it was a proposition not a fait accompli. You will note I completed my proposition with a question mark. I hadn't thought it through as it was indicative of the possibilities that having drafts picks offers, it was not a suggestion of an actual trade. I say keep Hogan but if he wants to go then we should explore all possibilities.

rpfc, it is harder to feel superior amongst equals, thank god for idiots.

Bob, you ignore using those draft picks to secure stars at other clubs. Hogan for picks, picks for Kelly & Lynch?

Specially a Grand Final with Weideman kicking the winner after the siren Edit:- for us!

You want answers Tex? Your are a fkwit, the club is shlt the administration is frked and the coach is a real dlk head, oh and I do like a good coffee & croissant on my way to training not a fekkin pie floater

Not predictive text or you would have that's right.

I think Jetta is fantastic, what he gets out of himself is remarkable. He is not the most gifted player, not fast, not big but I back him one on one versus anyone, his tackles are fantastic. The most gifted, skillful, fastest thinking, fastest hands is Oliver. It is interesting that the umpires have worked out how fast Oliver is and don't ping him for throwing like last year, he has not changed, the umpires have recognised his skill. So in a photo finish Clayton Oliver. Apologies Max the best ruckman in the AFL

Only 23, if healthy worth a rookie

Sorry Wise, "Q1: based on history of genuine AFL quality forwards involved in trades" Was Ablett the senior a quality forward? Was he involved in a trade? Or has Hogan played on the wing on the ball or down back is he still a forward? - Carlton received Lachie Henderson & pick 12 (Fyfe -Carlisle - Talia - Jetta - Gawn all went later) My point is good forwards do get traded, you can win or you can lose but you must keep your mind open to opportunities. Or we can have fun speculating.

A1 - Templeton, Ablett, Lockett, Fevola, Hall, Kennedy, Franklin there are others all involved in trades. Some decent forwards there, all kicked more goals in a season than Hogan. I would argue that the winners were Footscray - Templeton - Geelong Ablett - Evens on Lockett(StKilda got 6 players inc Joel Smith, Wakelin, ) - Carlton Fevola, Hall - StKilda got Heath Black & Nick Dal Santo - WCE Kennedy - Sydney Franklin

But Wise we could swap the picks for Kelly or some other superstar. That is the point don't you think? To have a discussion, talk about the team we love and our mad ideas to make us invincible.

So Wise what is the problem with talking hypotheticals? I put it to you if Freo offered young Brayshaw and this years and next years first pick for Hogan would you take it?

I think you take yourself and this site a bit too seriously. Trade HOGAN is a discussion, if you don't like it you are free to say so, others can continue to comment, most of it rubbish but why close it down? This petulant demand to shut down anything one disagrees with is futile. This is a supporters site, much of that written here is without foundation and merely speculation. To think that the club feels embarrassed by some supporters online rantings is silly. I would not rule out trading any player but it would have to be to our advantage. Trading Hogan or Viney or Oliver seems outrageous but if it meant 5 flags in the next 10 years where do I sign. Lighten up Steve we are in the finals.

If nothing else playing well without Hogan will be good for Hogan. He is not the messiah and may have to rethink his attitude, perhaps he may even choose to chase and tackle and perhaps even try a second effort. I think he will stay but trading him would not be the end of the world.

Another Adel fan? Overweight?

Not long enough obviously.

Free agency is a curse. Top 4 side when recruiting a free agent to pay the same compensation (picks-points) as the AFL pay to the side losing the player. There must be a cost to recruiting a free agent. Bottom 4 sides should not lose a player to a top 4 side (in last 2 years) - Bottom 4 sides can take a free agent with no cost, compensation from the AFL