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i dont care if we lose the following 11, but i just want to beat collingwood this week. (although itd be nice to knock carlton and richmond off as well)

it sure is demon16. if you had been watching games this year you would know that daniel bell has played 9 good games. the one that wasnt great was WC. have you seen stats for how many goals a defender has had kicked on them this year? you could count bells on one hand, and that would include the goal that williams kicked while bell was running off the ground injured. this week bell arrived as a player. he dominated the d50. he spoiled 10 balls according to the age and laid 6 tackles, and he did so without giving away a free kick. his tackle on the last line, the second time in 2 weeks he has done that, was inspirational. he has body strength, he has speed. he has football nous, he reads the play well. he fits like a glove when its one on one, but was also able to run off his man and pick up 20 possessions. i even saw him punch from behind then run on and crumb his own ball more than once. daniel bell played such a good game this week that with 20 touches the majority of people on this website think he rivaled green for best on ground. green who had 18 marks and 37 touches. bell has had a great solid season all year, but this week he just dominated.

i know we can get basics at finalsiren.com or allthestats.com but is there someway we can get all the detailed stuff the media gets? i mean id love to know how many 'spoils' belly had today, in fact thats why i started this thread, i thought our defenders collectively had stacks of punches and was wondering if it was more than normal. other stats like long kicks, short kicks, types of free kicks, marks inside forward 50, we hear the media quote these all the time, but im wondering if we can access them on the net anywhere?

out of interest newton now has 21 goals for the season in 7 games averaging 3 a game, 6th on the vfl goal kicking list. sautner has booted 28 from 7 games as well, 4 a game, and is leading the goalkickers. interesting stat i saw while checking this out, zac dawson has been named in the best in every one of the box hill hawks 7 games. is he still on the hawks list? what else do you need to do to get a run at afl level?

ive got no problem with walls saying this. i bet that we think about this every year. but to trade white, robbo or green we would need to be getting something good in return. a first round pick and a player who will play 20 games a year for us at least. if opposition clubs said we want bruce, here is player x and a pick (between 1 and 10), and the player was 18-24 and going to be a regular player for melb id take it, even if that player isnt a star. if we could have 3-5 first round draft picks at the end of this year we would jump at the chance. if we had that we would secure the future of our list. we might not win a flag next year but added 3 first round players to the current crop of youngsters and we would be in a better shape than we are now... the club would trade those players if the offer was good and i would be disappointed if we refused to trade any player.

just wondering, who would you drop for dunn, who kicked 4 at sandy this week...

was definitely a knee for davey, had it strapped, and it didnt 'pop' like a hammy does...

brown - fantastic tagging job johnstone - out-side polish frawley - some good spoils robertson - two cameo goals johnson - better than jamar

also good to read that article about bellys memories of broady. maybe a little bit selfish but hopfully that tie will help keep him in melb should the crow eaters ever throw money at him...

apparently this was the first week neitz played without pain killers so its not surprising he was in a bit of discomfort...

you did say you'd start gushing about the players to help me out

one swallow doesnt make a summer...but does anyone wnat to change their mind about what a fit wheatly could do for us on the wing now? he played a fantastic game today...

why do you think they would be unimpressed?

IMO belly was best on ground today the only person who rivaled him was green, but bell had a direct opponent and shut him down, while green played on the wing. did not concede a goal all day (the only goal welsh kicked was while ward was picking him up). his spoiling from behind was fantastic, his drive out of the backline was awesome. 6 tackles and 20 touches. 10 kicks and 10 handballs. i've taken off the belly blinkers and i'll tell you what he is looking even better when you can compare him to everyone else.

i cant believe that jason cloke got 41 posts out of us...

i agree finks. i think he needs be be sat out for 8-12 months absolutely nothing. then he shouls resume closer to the start of next season and aim for a return through sandy, half a game round 1 perhaps. he is too valuble a player to have on and off the park. if we ever get brock moloney sylvia and jones up and running we will have a very hard midfield winning a lot of ball, getting a lot of clearances. if that happens while we have travis, bruce and green on the outside feeding to neitz and robo we are definetly a chance to finish highly. to think that of our 4 hardest inside midfielders jones (10-odd games) is the only one who has played most of this year and and even he was injured at a time.

its a good point. while sandy is a great team and i wish them well, we are almost better off farming out players to 2-3 teams to let them develop...

swallow isnt the longest kick around...maybe if wheatly had of been kicking out it might have gone that little bit further...

he has the foot skills to be a very damaging player, but is probably someone who needs to be given the ball more often than not. on the recieving end of a handpass if he is running towards 50 he is a good chance to put it on the spot or kick a goal from long...

if its a particularly even year can you get in on 11 and a good percentage? lol

i know this article is about rivers but there is a good quote from chris fagan about wheatly, this probably clears up why he is back in the side... “And Paul Wheatley had a shoulder injury, but played the last game with Sandringham and showed some good form. He’s well and truly in our best 22 so it’s good to have him back as well.” http://melbournefc.com.au/Season2007/News/...px?newsId=44368

is it too late to rejoin with the mcc? would solve a lot of our problems wouldnt it?

vic vs SA qland/tas vs wa/NT/nsw play them the weekend before the season starts. vic vs sa at the g. the other game either in syd or qland, depends where the afl wants to develop most (although tas deserves it the most because they actually like footy). the nab cup finishes a week before the season any way... the games could be played satruday arvo at the g then sat night in syd. vic fans will turn up no matter what, nsw fans will like the night spectacle. do a delayed start ie 240 so it finishes 515-530 then start the other one early, 640 and have an hour off in between. tv ratings would be awesome. the fans would love it. give the fans something they want for a change afl!

i think you'll find that this thread was actually written last year, so most people who thought jamar was the go, thought so last year. this year he has been very dissapointing. im interested to see if he cannot reinvent himself as a marking forward because honestly thats the only part of his game i think has shown to be good enough for afl...

how many picks would we have at the draft? 4 or 5? 1 rookie promotion...and we normally dont waste our time with the preseason draft do we? but i cant see us have 6 picks at the national draft, it depends on who is available for the preseason as to whether we delist the 7th player perhaps. fwiw does anyone know hom many players we have delisted in each of the past few years?