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If we can find a way to remain competitive I'd be happy if we finish the season on 7 wins. Massive improvement on past years. I'd love to sneak 8 or 9 (especially if one of them was north this week), and to me 8-9 would put us in the "exceed realistic expectations" category for the season. Yes i know we lost games we shouldn't have, and could have had 10, but at the start of the year you'd have taken 9 wins and 85% if it was on offer.

I like grimes. I want him to make it as much as i want Trengove to make it back. But his hesitation kills me. And kills our momentum. So many times yesterday he had the ball and doesn't take the first option. He looked up, took a step and started to kick to an option but then pulled up, paused and took a couple more steps back before waiting and looking some more and eventually kicking long to a contest. He needs to take the first option. Take the short easy option. No worries. I'd rather us kick it 15 m forward out of the D50 so the long bomb passes centre than kick long from inside D50 which means there is a risk it'll come straight back in one kick. He defends ok. He closes and punches very well. His disposal isn't horrible. But he needs to improve the decision making if he wants to continue at AFL.

I was merely asking a question. I don't have an opinion either way but if we were ever going to pause and think about it, this week would be it. Who did the Collingwood supporters boo yesterday? Garlett, Lamumba, anyone else?

Did they boo Dawes yesterday?

Any footage of the vandenberg tackle?

I must admit, I'm pretty sure it isn't sinking. Although it is pretty stagnant, adrift if you'd like, and i think our biggest risk is that at some point they'll decide to scuttle it.

Nasher, my heart broke when i read this.We've all suffered but at least i got to enjoy the come back against freo in 2008 and the build up in 2000 and the delerium of the first 3 weeks the finals series. When the ship turns i hope you're still on it.

I'm not making excuses. I am saying that the on field performance is the last bit of "performance" and "improvement". It is about putting all the off field stuff into place. Good quality coaching. A good training culture. Trust within the playing group. A game plan that all players know. Once all those things happen, we'll start to see on field success. Right now, none of us have any real measure to judge or rate the performance of the coaching panel.

If that rumour is true and both are lost to the game it would be a travesty. The game needs more highly skilled players, not less.

The problem is I think the questions that people are asking are often short sighted and when answered, the answers aren't considered acceptable to people who are demanding immediate on field results as the only proof of improvement. 23 player turn over means 23 new players who have never played together. It takes a number of yeasts for players to learn systems, to learn how each other play, to work together and trust each other. 23 player turn over in 2 years means it is likely we still have brought 10 players in who aren't good enough. You can't build a finals quality list in 4 years when you have next to no quality on the list to start with. 17 players on the last who are potentially scarred from previous administration plus are now trying to learn new systems. A whole bunch of 18 yo draftees who are coming onto a list with no senior leaders on field to enhance their development. You need to give the coaching administration 3 years to build the list and then when it is stable, more time to enable them to gel and play together.

Firstly, most of them. Yeah we have brought a handful in from other clubs but Roos had only had one podcast season with the chance to turn the list over. So at the end of the day almost all players on the last have gone through the scarring of the neeld era including the instability. Building a basic list that can compete at afl level takes 3-4 years when you can only being in a handful each year. It is Roos' job to make sure the players are ready and he needs to be given time to do that job. Not 18 months. Of the players aren't up to it be will change them. But if you don't believe Roos and Co should be given time, who should? Or do you expect a coach to come to Melbourne and make a difference in 18 months and have us playing finals? If so you are really over rating the playing list

For the reasons I outlined above. It is no longer the coach, it is the players and the culture of the club. Changing coaches or putting pressure on the coach, will perpetuate this culture. We are stable off field, in both administration and in footy department. Let those two teams do their thing before agitating for further change. Historically, we know that constant chances at the MFC hasn't worked. Let's try something radical and back them in to sort the mess.

We have a in place transition plan. Which isn't the same as sacking coaches (which is what i was referring to). What we can't do is "sack" Roos. Or replace him quickly. Let them transition naturally as planned.

And yet this is unrelated to Roos' short term tenure. The players being the effort each week. If they are too scarred to perform then we need to change the players. But changing the players takes time. And if you keep changing coaches you will keep scarring new players. The only solution is long term, off field stability while we regenerate the list and replace the players who don't bring effort.

Pretty sute we signed him for 3 years after his great season in 2013 when he finished top 5 in the bnf. So he has only 1 year to go.

We have to pay someone. It would make sense.I susect the same could have been the case with Evans (I think?).

RE Terlichs's 3 year contract, given that we have to pay 95% of the cap each year, it wouldn't surprise me if his contract was front loaded. We signed him for 3, paid him the majority in his first 2 years to enable us to meet the cap, and could effectively delist him at the end of this year, apying out only a small eprcentage of his contract. I suspect he will go. If he hasn't had a game all year, why would we keep him?

Gorgoroth, I have no problems with your anger at the performances, but the argument that the "club should dish it out" doesn't actually represent a path forward. The club is sorting its [censored] out. It has appointed a a coach who may not be an elite tactitician but he is a culture builder, on a three year contract to sort the rot. It has also appointed a well regarded communicator and tactician as heir apparent. By appointing an heir apparent it has brought stability to a club that has lacked it, and given it time to devlop the culture. It has appointed a group of well respected support staff to develop players. It has removed as many players who don't stand up as possible in a short period of time. What else would you have it do??? Sack the coach again because the players didn't perform immediately? Sack all the players at the end of this year and redraft 40 new players??? We are doing what can be done. The only thing that can be done. To rectify 7 years of cultural rubbish is a lnog term process. And we are 18 months into that, with a new, stable administration and well respected coaching staff. You want an overnight fix? It isn't going to hpapen unless we open the market up EPL style and have a generous donor provide us with more money than other clubs have. Because in the current AFL, with the draft and the salary cap, the list can only be improved by 4-6 players per year, with 2-3 additional journeymen effectively trading places with other journey men, and until we develop our own culture over 3-5 years, we will not be providing significant development to established players.

We all know how far back we are coming from. When Roos took over it was 7 years of rubbish. 7 years of no real leadership. 7 years of no structure off field. 7 years with 3 sacked coaches. 7 years of poor culture and average drafting. Before that, for close to 10 years, we may have performed on field (some Years) but our culture sucked. We were flashy and fun but weren't hard working. We didn't chase or work for each other the way that football requires now. The last few years we have been vfl standard at best. Perhaps only 30/40 players were actually worthy of being on AFL lists and of them perhaps only 15/30 performed at AFL level (albeit at bottom of the ladder AFL level). In 18 months we have gone from sub AFL level to "bottom 4" level. In 18 months we have established a stability at the club, introducing new culture. Anyone who thinks in 18 months weer could go from sub AFL level to the levels threat the saints or WCE (both recent finalists) can achieve is kidding themselves. With the length of footy playing careers as they are, 7 years is an eternity. To rebuild a culture and a list you need 5 years to turn all the players over. To remove the last traces of poor culture, of rot. It will take 2 more drafts to have a list of 40 that is comparable with other AFL clubs. Then we will be ready to potentially rapidly improve like saints or WB. Until that time, when Goodwin takes over, we are in a transition period. Building a cultural base. Erasing 7 years of rubbish. I'm not happy with how we are playing, but let's be realistic. More instability, more changes, are not going to fix this. Long term consistency and culture change is the only way we will dig out of it. I know it hurts. And rubbish like the last few weeks it hard to put up with. But unfortunately it is the only way.

Easy. Bonuses for the following KPIs: - The number of AFL clubs making a profit each financial year. - The number of different teams playing preliminary finals in an X year block (3 years?). - The number of different teams finishing bottom 4 in an X year block (3 years?). - Increases in the median club membership (not the average membership) Not hard is it?

Professionalism also increases the gap between the elite and lower grades.

Yeah it's an odd sort of message. Would like to hear that the scans came back all clear, the richmond doctor has reviewed them and he is right to run.

To be honest, I hope we finish 13th. It will represent massive improvement, out of the bottom 4 comprehensively. Put is ahead of 5 other sides. We would be threatening to challenge for the lower reaches of the 8 in 2016, making us a genuine potion for players moving clubs. It would be great for supporters to win say 3 more games to get there. And we will still be in the bottom 6 when it comes to creating next year's "fixture" which will potentially give us an advantage over the teams that finish immediately above us, making a 2016 final more realistic.

Did Roberts really get named their 2nd best with only 4 touches? I suppose Panozza 6th best with only 7 touches might be a bit hard on some of the guys too, but in a winning team is arguable he defended well, spoilt a lot and contributed to the win...

I'm not concerned about JKH. He has had a couple of injuries and has been interrupted, unable to find consistency. In addition, he hasn't had the opportunity to gel with his team mates RE his role in the side. I think he will come good with time.