Rhino Richards

I have always loved your passion YM and acknowledged your unwavering support for MFC. Fremantle and Dockerland seem more your profile.

Maybe being 51 points down in the 2nd quarter might have been a telling influence also.

We have had a few who have had an inflated sense of self worth at MFC and totally unjustified. Farmer is in a league of his own. I used to love his talent. Its a pity its diminish and a whole range of negative factors have taken its place. A nasty spiteful footballer in the Libba mould.

Dont disturb the poor boys dream. I thought it was 3 times he pointed out to Moloney in the huddle. It was well deserved.

FFS, he kicked 2 goals in a minute in the third quarter which should have won them the game. But the other 21 shockers in the team coughed up the game. Bizarre post.

If the AFL match review committee were true to its label, Farmer should be reviewed for the punch he land in front of the MCC members stand near the boundary. He is a conceited and nasty piece of business.

He stepped up and was fantastic today when it counted. All credit to him.

I think the Hawks were judicial with Rawlings, Thompson and Hay. Thompson had plateaued. Rawlings was rated as a front runner with a poor attitude. Hay best years were behind him and the Hawks had already identified application issues with him. Aside from Thompson, the Hawks got steals trading the other two. Clarkson has done good things at Hawthorn but if wanted to be successful he had no other option to get rid of those players when he did. Both Rawlings and Hay justifed the internal assessments made at the Hawks

Agree Graz. Apart from Cox and Stenglein, their senior players were mentally elsewhere. They were lifeless from the 1st bounce and lucky to be still in it at 1/4 time. A few players looked as though they would rather be elsewhere. I suspect they are still searching for their lowest point even though they have some to return from injury. More pain for WCE going forward and its a fall out that has been formenting for years and really came to light when Benny ran from the booze bus.

Having been there at that terrible day, I have never watched the replay of it. I recall watching the 2nd half at VFL Park and feeling it was all unravelling as MFC tried to defend its lead and lost the initiative it had shown in the first half. For the real masochists only.

Ita amazing as you seem to know so little about the way he plays and replace with hyperbole.

Maybe its actually the truth??

IMO the juries out from where I sit on Aussie. I acknowledge his efforts and how far he has come in a short time but when the list is comprehensively performing poorly I cant clearly gauge what he is capable of. I just have not seen evidence of those skills that would necessarily carry him to become a good player in a capable AFL side. I just have not seen Aussie have a real impact on a game and have not got excited about him like others have While his skills sets are different to Godfrey, I can recall the gushing during bad times about Godfrey was hard at it and how good he was. It was a case of a player who was a 3/10 looking good in a side playing like a 2/10. The problem was that Godfrey for his weakneses despite his hard efforts was always a 3/10 and did not get better. BTW, I did submit a quote to the Club for the pep talk prior to the game but it is appears that they are too cash strapped to afford my expensive services. B)

Quality posting has nothing to do with that requirement. And if it were, you would be tailing off at the rear of the site on that measure. I can name a number of players that have gone through MFC that have been young raw and truckloads of fighting spirit. They just did not have the ability and skills to make it at the top level. Not that it would be important in your estimations.

I share your frustration and disappointment about the season. I think the Club and its culture is being turned on its head. I think the list will be overhauled. Its hard to strip it barer than it is. I think White will be finished at year end and Robbo will perform a ceremonial final year at Sandy in 2009. It will be interesting watch Saunter and Robbo fight for the easy goal in TBO goal square. DB and CC have a long process to undertake. I think they knew better than anyone else. I actually think this time is an interesting period if you are prepared to look through the emotive static thats been generated on sites like this.

I am with you H. I have not seen Aussie do enough for mine to suggest that he is more than a fringe player in a poor side.

Excellent post Mousey. Alot of posters have misquoted and misrepresented exactly what was said in regard to round 6 for their own ends. I find that pathetic. After the poor start to the season there is no doubt player managers have made feverish attempts to commence contract negotiations in expectation of what was expected to be a tough season and player value challenged. Its both reasonable and sensible to expect that CC and DB would want time to understand the character and performance of the list. After the early rounds, the failure or effort of players to improve their work rate has been telling to the coaching panel about who has a future and who does not. I suspect some of the planning for the list come year is commencing now. For supporters to expect an open book from the match committee about this or to expect radical wholesale changes to the team given the performance and standard of the list is amazing. If you want the message check the ins and especially the outs (which are not injury or suspension) and see which "stars" are wearing Zebra colours to work out who is going to make it and who isnt. For starters Yze and Holland are finished. I think CJ Weetra and Newton are almost there. More will be known in due course.

They should go to Nauru for that.

Bing! Wrong again. Its a bad day Freak. I like the wikpedia summary because I thought until now it removes any ambiguity or confusion on the situation. Each article refers to same premise that you need 4 wins or less for 2 consecutuve years to get a 1st round PP. I agree with your last sentence.

Have things started to improve at home Y_M?

What would you expect Bailey to say at Press conference other than that? He is not going to go into a critical analysis of player who is in the players appointed leadership and has not by choice played him in Rds 2 to 6. If doubt go watch him at Sandy. He does enough to get by there. Given the floggings Sandy has dished out, a downhill skier like Yze should be in his element and should be dominating. He is a shadow of the player he was 3 to 4 years ago and we signed him for at least one year too many and now paying the price.

Kit and Jarka are right. 4.5 wins leaves you short of the PP. http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,2...3-23211,00.html If the Blues lose on Sunday, they will get the No.1 draft pick under the system which allows clubs with 16 premiership points or less in consecutive seasons first bite at the nation's best young talent. http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200511/s1509486.htm if a team finishes with four or fewer wins for two consecutive years, it will gain a pick at the start of the draft as is the case under the current system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priority_draft_pick If a team finished with fewer than 16.5 premiership points in two consecutive seasons, then their Priority Selection is taken before the First Round.

The mindset is to develop a team that can have the skill and capacity to win a premiership. The loses are reflective of the lack of talent on the list and unfamilarity of younger players not any conspiracy to lose games. I would have thought that thinking that absence of access to a PP would not improve the Club list or potential is even more delusional. Its far better that the players learn the importance of adopting and implementing skills that are critical to achieving that goal. I had the sound of dueling banjos in my mind when I read your post. If its our chance to win a game then why would we promote 2 players in their twilight who have not justified their selection on form at Sandy?

Now what winning game plan would suit a slow lazy and underskilled list with many senior players whose game has deteriorated and unable to have an impact at AFL level? Not one poster has stated blind faith in Bailey's game plan. What they have recognised is that the list has significant shortcomings and recognise some of the key elements that the better teams have that are required to be successful. Its clear some posters cant do either and in addition cany articulate a sensible alternative. Regardless of game plan and given where we are today and looking to the future, I just cant see where there is much to gain playing twilight players who are past it at the AFL level.