So Yze has been dropped, fair enough, but what's been lost in all this is the fact that he is meant to be one of our on field leaders. I have no idea of how often this happens with other clubs but my guess is it wouldn't be that often.

My query to the coaching staff - does this mean that the decision to make Yze a leader has already been proven wrong after just one round? Not that it's a ground breaking thought, we were all surprised with it, but jeez, it must be disappointing for Bailey to have to do this so early in the season. The sooner we get rid of the old guard and develop a new and fresh team the better.

The only way Yze has ever lead is from the forward pocket when he kicks goals, other wise he does nothing.

Players voted on the leadership group. I am not sure how much say the coaches had.

If a leader is not performing then they should suffer the same fate as other players.

In past years we have drafted to supplement our older players now we are recruiting to replace them.We are at the stage where we should be getting games into the younger players.

And lets just hope some of them become real stars.

To me it also brings into focus the practice of teams electing these groups as opposed to more balanced and thoughtful process and personnel guiding this area.

After all...most armies dont vote their officers ppr NCO's etc.. they are there through training and the exhibition of traits necessary. To have kids vote on their peers is frought with nonsense.

I dont think Yze was ever an inpsired choice. There are going to be many areas that Bailey will just have to wait the year out on. He'll be tweaking that broom even now !!...well should be

To me it also brings into focus the practice of teams electing these groups as opposed to more balanced and thoughtful process and personnel guiding this area.

After all...most armies dont vote their officers ppr NCO's etc.. they are there through training and the exhibition of traits necessary. To have kids vote on their peers is frought with nonsense.

I dont think Yze was ever an inpsired choice. There are going to be many areas that Bailey will just have to wait the year out on. He'll be tweaking that broom even now !!...well should be

What this is an indication of is a senior group which is too worried about themselves, and not the interests of the team; that is reflected in their selections.

Bailey has a tough job, he needs to start making some tough calls. I know he is all about player driven improvement, but our senior crop don't have it in them.

2009 Leadership Group

Nathan Jones, Brock McLean, Aaron Davey, Jared Rivers, Lynden Dunn

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What this is an indication of is a senior group which is too worried about themselves, and not the interests of the team; that is reflected in their selections.

Bailey has a tough job, he needs to start making some tough calls. I know he is all about player driven improvement, but our senior crop don't have it in them.

2009 Leadership Group

Nathan Jones, Brock McLean, Aaron Davey, Jared Rivers, Lynden Dunn

Please; everyone abuse me.

No abuse here mate-I agree. At least Bailey has dropped him this early. I loved ND but he played Yze far too long

After all...most armies dont vote their officers ppr NCO's etc.. they are there through training and the exhibition of traits necessary. To have kids vote on their peers is frought with nonsense.

Don't the Defence forces promote based on seniority?

I think the leadership group was instituted with a view to evolvution, it's greatest heights won't be it's starting point IMO. It had to start somewhere

I think the leadership group was instituted with a view to evolvution, it's greatest heights won't be it's starting point IMO. It had to start somewhere

Agree with your thoughts melbman.

The leadership team was selected by the players based on advised leadership criteria.

Its not only there to keep others on side but also to keep the voted leadership members holding up the standard. McLean stuffed up and got dumped.

As a footballer, I think Yze is finished. However, while I would not accept him in the leadership group (far from it), his appointment puts an onus him to be a leader to the best of his ability. Same with Robbo. And I think subject to any major breach of rules, the Club may get more out of them in it than not part of the group and free to be selfish players they are.

I dont see the current selection of leaders as an end point but it does recognise how starved of leaders we are and that our future leaders are not ready atm. We are left with questionable group of leaders but I think a concept on the right track.

But appointment to the leadership group is and never was a meal ticket to a free game.

What this is an indication of is a senior group which is too worried about themselves, and not the interests of the team; that is reflected in their selections.

Bailey has a tough job, he needs to start making some tough calls. I know he is all about player driven improvement, but our senior crop don't have it in them.

2009 Leadership Group

Nathan Jones, Brock McLean, Aaron Davey, Jared Rivers, Lynden Dunn

Please; everyone abuse me.

& Flying under the radar, guess who, as far as the team leadership is concerned?

Who is missing from these, - who's not taking the responsibility to lead from the front???

Don't the Defence forces promote based on seniority?

only if you warrant it.. not just because you are.. there are a many older coporals and sergeants !!

but i havent heard of a platoon getting together nad taking a vote on whose going to wear the stripes, have you ??

The captains ought to be put their by the football panel

Agree with your thoughts melbman.

The leadership team was selected by the players based on advised leadership criteria.

Its not only there to keep others on side but also to keep the voted leadership members holding up the standard. McLean stuffed up and got dumped.

As a footballer, I think Yze is finished. However, while I would not accept him in the leadership group (far from it), his appointment puts an onus him to be a leader to the best of his ability. Same with Robbo. And I think subject to any major breach of rules, the Club may get more out of them in it than not part of the group and free to be selfish players they are.

I dont see the current selection of leaders as an end point but it does recognise how starved of leaders we are and that our future leaders are not ready atm. We are left with questionable group of leaders but I think a concept on the right track.

But appointment to the leadership group is and never was a meal ticket to a free game.

Right on again as usual.

If Robertson plays poorly again this week then he can be dropped also. No free rides, and at the same time a run in the 2's can bring something positive out of a player. Being able to get your hands on the footy can be invaluable.

It should be looked at as a player being taught a lesson in which he can learn from old or young.

yes..its all clear to me now...you create a 'leadership group" to which you add those who may or may not actually play !! you also leave out those that actually set examples. Yep...makes sense now !!

What a crock of sh!te ..leadership groups..ffs.. These are people employed to do a job..if they cant get off their collectives and do it..theres the door over there >>>>>>

Its like play time in the school yard... your on my team..and im not picking you .. . You're expecting ppl who at times have a rather tenous grip on their own purposee in the game to instruct others ??

The various players and positions are mentored as they are.. their called coaches !! All we are doing by play acting at leading is creating another level of escapism.. What is this..some sort of football by concesus ??

I would suggest that part of the malaise that exists atthe club is the direct result of empowering some of these clowns to take charge of the own destinies...you ask them to do this when they cant even follow simple team rules !!.

Im all for KISS... lets keep it simple.. the Bosses tell the players what to do..and whose leading them..and how.. and let the players play... some are simply not equiped I feel to THINK too much...they are overwhelmed by all the 'layers' being introduced.

But appointment to the leadership group is and never was a meal ticket to a free game.

Very true, but in most sporting teams across the planet the leaders are the guys who lead by example and don't get dropped because they are leaders on and off the ground. I don't understand why we don't fall into the category.

Very true, but in most sporting teams across the planet the leaders are the guys who lead by example and don't get dropped because they are leaders on and off the ground. I don't understand why we don't fall into the category.

They dont get dropped because their on field performance and their contribution demands their selection every week.

We all agree that MFC have had deficiencies in leadership qualities. It would be great to have one of our Top 6 six to be the Captain we want. However, for previously thrashed out reasons our Top 6 are either in their twliight, too immature or do not have leadership capabilities.

The situation with Yze is not common but not that rare in AFL. I can recall Whitnall, Vanderburg, King and Harley being identified leaders and not being selected in the Top 22 for a game though being fit and available.

I think the leadership group is in transition. I would expect at least 4 changes at year end reflecting a number of issues that occur throughout the year.

One of our finest's two cents:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/tabid/7415/D...px?newsid=56987

JUSTIFIED INDEED BUT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN PART OF THE LEADERSHIP GROUP TO START WITH...ALA BRAD MILLER..THIS IS WHERE THE MISTAKE LIES!!