Jump to content


Recommended Posts

Posted

Without revisiting the absurdity of what happened at the Tribunal in the "Headland case", the mere fact that the AFL through its tribunal has now sanctioned violence as allowable, if one is "provoked" by "sledging", ( spoken words. ), notwithstanding that it is outside the law of the land, is to try and rewrite the law and place itself above the law.

You can now do on a football field what you can't do in the street.

It is not a defence to assault to say someone made derogatory comments to you, as it is not self defence. You are expected by the law to walk away and not assault the perpetrator.

In my view the AFL has now brought the game into disrepute.

It will also make it harder to get younger players to play, as they can be assaulted on a football field and the aggressor can get off without sanction by claiming the victim provoked him with words.

This is an unmitigated disgrace.

It makes the Moloney conviction for striking where the video showed no contact pale into insignificance.

Posted
Without revisiting the absurdity of what happened at the Tribunal in the "Headland case", the mere fact that the AFL through its tribunal has now sanctioned violence as allowable, if one is "provoked" by "sledging", ( spoken words. ), notwithstanding that it is outside the law of the land, is to try and rewrite the law and place itself above the law.

You can now do on a football field what you can't do in the street.

It is not a defence to assault to say someone made derogatory comments to you, as it is not self defence. You are expected by the law to walk away and not assault the perpetrator.

In my view the AFL has now brought the game into disrepute.

It will also make it harder to get younger players to play, as they can be assaulted on a football field and the aggressor can get off without sanction by claiming the victim provoked him with words.

This is an unmitigated disgrace.

It makes the Moloney conviction for striking where the video showed no contact pale into insignificance.

I absolutely agree with you Redders it is a ludicrous situation.

The worst possible outcome was reached.

Headland should have been suspended, no matter what the provocation - provocation should only allow for a reduced sentence.

In my view Selwood should also have been suspended and now he has added coward and liar to his unenviable dossier.

A small point ...

You can now do on a football field what you can't do in the street.

This was always the case - I can't lay a fair hip and shoulder in the street.

Posted

Who cares. its old news. bring on freo. God knows we had little chance against em anyway with or without headland and carr. Headland has been a hack since he left brissy. The afl have set a precident and it lies with them.

Posted
This was always the case - I can't lay a fair hip and shoulder in the street.

gee..they hardly let you do it on the field either now :rolleyes:

spot on Red.. I cant quite understand where th ebalance is ( sorry what was I thinking ) with the AFL's methods of promotion.

They sanitize the marketing to appeal to all, the family...its good natured but hard at it game .....

They've re-ruled the game to make it softer....

And after all this they carry on perpetuating some mythical attitude within the game where its all, "nudge nudge , no what I mean SAY NO MORE " in fact....say nothing !!

For me the AFL is very out of touch of the realities of community expectations.

Posted
Without revisiting the absurdity of what happened at the Tribunal in the "Headland case", the mere fact that the AFL through its tribunal has now sanctioned violence as allowable, if one is "provoked" by "sledging", ( spoken words. ), notwithstanding that it is outside the law of the land, is to try and rewrite the law and place itself above the law.

You can now do on a football field what you can't do in the street.

It is not a defence to assault to say someone made derogatory comments to you, as it is not self defence. You are expected by the law to walk away and not assault the perpetrator.

In my view the AFL has now brought the game into disrepute.

It will also make it harder to get younger players to play, as they can be assaulted on a football field and the aggressor can get off without sanction by claiming the victim provoked him with words.

This is an unmitigated disgrace.

It makes the Moloney conviction for striking where the video showed no contact pale into insignificance.

I completely and utterly agree. Only the ICC could stuff it up any further.

Posted
I completely and utterly agree. Only the ICC could stuff it up any further.

lol....dont give them ideas !!ffs !! lol

Posted

I don't understand what the AFL's stance on the issue is. On 1 stance they have said that it's ok to say sexually explicit stuff about somebody's daughter, yet on the other said that it's ok for somebody to punch a bloke as a result of the sledge.


Posted

The regrettable outcome requires the AFL to be able to take these things to a mediation process. Currently there is no avenue to do this under the AFL match review rules.

I actually feel sorry for Selwood who has been seriously defamed and had his good name absolutely muddied as a consequence of the past 72 hours and should be talking to his lawyer about his options.

Posted
I actually feel sorry for Selwood who has been seriously defamed and had his good name absolutely muddied as a consequence of the past 72 hours and should be talking to his lawyer about his options.

I'd feel sorry for him if I thought he was innocent, but I don't... and clearly neither does the AFL because they let Headland off.

It's all very confusing :rolleyes:

Posted

I'd feel sorry for him if I thought he was innocent, but I don't... and clearly neither does the AFL because they let Headland off.

It's all very confusing :rolleyes:

Exactly right. He has no options.

We will never hear a peep from Selwood.

Go Dees for Sunday!

Posted
I'd feel sorry for him if I thought he was innocent, but I don't... and clearly neither does the AFL because they let Headland off.

It's all very confusing :rolleyes:

See I differ enormously here and while I understand your point I think that the AFL are just trying to push the whole situation under the carpet.

I don't see it as a guilty by proxy finding on Selwood.

And this was quite obviously the simplest and easiest way to do just that. They could never have found Selwood guilty (unlike many armchair viewers) given there was no independent evidence and emphatic denials, and therefore to water down any further conflict they let Headland off as well.

And just for what its worth, I don't trust Headland either, or not as much as a lot of people seem to. He has a short fuse and a bad record.

I am not sure why his assertions are any more automatically believable than Selwoods protests of innocence. But that is what has happened all over the place.

And while I am sure Selwood said something, probably inappropriate in the light of day, I definitely don't think he deserved the absolute assumption of guilt and mud raking that has been applied to him on the back of nothing more than Headlands statement, which seems to have a hell of a lot of holes.

I actually feel sorry for Selwood who has been seriously defamed and had his good name absolutely muddied as a consequence of the past 72 hours and should be talking to his lawyer about his options.

I feel sorry for him as well Rhino (innocent until proven guilty and all that), and while I can see this happening, I don't think it will......

I would imagine that Adam Selwood would like nothing more than to put this whole week, and everything that has been said and written about him and what he has been accused of, in the past. He may well feel gutted and hurt by it all, but I truly can't see anything legal coming out of it.

Posted

Your Highness,

I dont know if Selwood is guilty or innocent. I believe he went some form of a derogatory sexual slur at Headland and not necessarily at his daughter. For that I dont have a lot of respect for him.

However, there have been no winners in this. Selwood has been seriously defamed. Headland has proven himself a flaky unreliable goose that has compromised his daughters standing more than Selwood.

The AFL's lack of mediation facilitation arrangements have poured petrol on this problem and left the tribunal to access a matter that clearly it is not equipped to do.

And the Press and talk back radio has well and truly highlighted that the sickness they criticise is very much the sickness they possess.

Everyone lost and we are all the lesser for it.

I hope some lessons are learnt from this. I fear not.

Posted

Queen and Rhino, I respect your opinions ...

This is the Selwood evidence:

"I saw that tatt on his arm and I said 'what's that [censored] on your arm?' and I said 'I was with a girl like that the other night.'"

"... I was with a girl like that ..."

Do you believe Selwood said this? I do not. You can join the dots.

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Friday 22nd November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers were out in force on a scorching morning out at Gosch's Paddock for the final session before the whole squad reunites for the Preseason Training Camp. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS It’s going to be a scorcher today but I’m in the shade at Gosch’s Paddock ready to bring you some observations from the final session before the Preseason Training Camp next week.  Salem, Fritsch & Campbell are already on the track. Still no number on Campbell’s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 3

    UP IN LIGHTS by Whispering Jack

    Those who watched the 2024 Marsh AFL National Championships closely this year would not be particularly surprised that Melbourne selected Victoria Country pair Harvey Langford and Xavier Lindsay on the first night of the AFL National Draft. The two left-footed midfielders are as different as chalk and cheese but they had similar impacts in their Coates Talent League teams and in the National Championships in 2024. Their interstate side was edged out at the very end of the tournament for tea

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    TRAINING: Wednesday 20th November 2024

    It’s a beautiful cool morning down at Gosch’s Paddock and I’ve arrived early to bring you my observations from today’s session. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Reigning Keith Bluey Truscott champion Jack Viney is the first one out on the track.  Jack’s wearing the red version of the new training guernsey which is the only version available for sale at the Demon Shop. TRAINING: Viney, Clarry, Lever, TMac, Rivers, Petty, McVee, Bowey, JVR, Hore, Tom Campbell (in tr

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 18th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers ventured down to Gosch's Paddock for the final week of training for the 1st to 4th Years until they are joined by the rest of the senior squad for Preseason Training Camp in Mansfield next week. WAYNE RUSSELL'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS No Ollie, Chin, Riv today, but Rick & Spargs turned up and McDonald was there in casual attire. Seston, and Howes did a lot of boundary running, and Tom Campbell continued his work with individual trainer in non-MFC

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #11 Max Gawn

    Champion ruckman and brilliant leader, Max Gawn earned his seventh All-Australian team blazer and constantly held the team up on his shoulders in what was truly a difficult season for the Demons. Date of Birth: 30 December 1991 Height: 209cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 224 Goals MFC 2024: 11 Career Total: 109 Brownlow Medal Votes: 13 Melbourne Football Club: 2nd Best & Fairest: 405 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 12

    2024 Player Reviews: #36 Kysaiah Pickett

    The Demons’ aggressive small forward who kicks goals and defends the Demons’ ball in the forward arc. When he’s on song, he’s unstoppable but he did blot his copybook with a three week suspension in the final round. Date of Birth: 2 June 2001 Height: 171cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 106 Goals MFC 2024: 36 Career Total: 161 Brownlow Medal Votes: 3 Melbourne Football Club: 4th Best & Fairest: 369 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Friday 15th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers took advantage of the beautiful sunshine to head down to Gosch's Paddock and witness the return of Clayton Oliver to club for his first session in the lead up to the 2025 season. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Clarry in the house!! Training: JVR, McVee, Windsor, Tholstrup, Woey, Brown, Petty, Adams, Chandler, Turner, Bowey, Seston, Kentfield, Laurie, Sparrow, Viney, Rivers, Jefferson, Hore, Howes, Verrall, AMW, Clarry Tom Campbell is here

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #7 Jack Viney

    The tough on baller won his second Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Trophy in a narrow battle with skipper Max Gawn and Alex Neal-Bullen and battled on manfully in the face of a number of injury niggles. Date of Birth: 13 April 1994 Height: 178cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 219 Goals MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 66 Brownlow Medal Votes: 8

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    TRAINING: Wednesday 13th November 2024

    A couple of Demonland Trackwatchers braved the rain and headed down to Gosch's paddock to bring you their observations from the second day of Preseason training for the 1st to 4th Year players. DITCHA'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I attended some of the training today. Richo spoke to me and said not to believe what is in the media, as we will good this year. Jefferson and Kentfield looked big and strong.  Petty was doing all the training. Adams looked like he was in rehab.  KE

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!
×
×
  • Create New...