Three outs were injuries and the only player omitted was CJ? For people at the game and saw him live was he really that bad?

I can understand to a certain extent the theory in sticking with experience, but I think I am going to blow a valve at some stage during the game on Sunday in relation to a couple of players.

He has been very dissappointing after promising so much pre-season

Deserves to be dropped

He has been very dissappointing after promising so much pre-season

Deserves to be dropped

worse than Trapper and Davey?

As bad as

Worse? who knows

they have all been rubbish

He has been very dissappointing after promising so much pre-season

Deserves to be dropped

Rubbish!

He had very limited ground time, and when he was on the ground they threw him down back.

He wasn't worse than TJ, Davey or Green.

I'm livid that they dropped him.

Yze spent 3 years under-performing, and gets a one week holiday in the VFL. CJ has an average game due to limited opportunities, and becomes the scapegoat.

In a week where we could use as much pace, and foot skills as we can possibly get, dropping him seems senseless.

I don't get it either Graz!

I dont see how its rubbish

I am sure the vast majoity of posters will agree that Cj has been woeful and we cant afford to carrry him for another week

worse than Trapper and Davey?

There is a HUGE difference grazman, TJ and Davey have proven they can play at AFL level...

There is a HUGE difference grazman, TJ and Davey have proven they can play at AFL level...

Correct weight

And they have the abilityto turn it on at any time

CJ is a passenger at the moment, with the ability to donothing

i was very annoyed to see CJ getting about 3-4 minuts game time and then being bought off again... i was watching the bench and he is the most over rotated player on the team!!! let him get some rhythm into his game rather than giving him short 5 minute spells!! really frustrating!!

Dropping him after 2 average games is really going to build up his confidence isn't it.

ND has gone into survival mode, he is trying to win games with the old faithful and neglecting to develop our younger players. Three ruckman, one was a star but time is catching up, one cant get a kick and one can't mark overhead. CJ I'm not angry that he got dropped, I'm angry for who he got dropped for. If it was Petterd or Buckley good lets see what they have got. If we lose this week what will ND acheive, playing old players and not showing us fans our youth. If we win though is it a master stroke or a short term fix that may be highlighted in the weeks to come. Only time will tell.

Correct weight

And they have the abilityto turn it on at any time

CJ is a passenger at the moment, with the ability to donothing

Errr I think that maybe a bit harsh. I rate CJ highly which is why I asked the question. (but like the comment above that is simply an opinion - not a fact)

Davey needs to find form and his discipline had been ordinary, but I accept that in a side lacking something special, now might not be the best time to drop him to find the footy in a lower grade.

TJ was insipid last week, his attitude was appalling and set the worst possible example to the junior players. Rather than make an example of him we let him have the chance to redeem himself. My view is simply that is as weak as [censored].

Without any game time to prove himself he was going to be dropped. I think CJ has the ability to become a great player, but when watching the match last week against hawthorn i think he seemed kind of lost not knowing where to run. Hopefully he can press for selection again and be in the starting 22 asap with other younsters with the way things are looking at the moment.

Bad move in dropping CJ, at least he is capable of a hardball get, he also needs time to get used to AFL, not played for a couple of games then dropped. I'm not at all happy with the way our young players are developed.

Cj needs a chance to develop. 2 games isnt a fair amount to be judged on. He should get another run.

As for trapper and davey, they will find touch.

CJ back next week for ward.

CJ back next week for ward.

Can you really call for heads even before the game has been played? I agree with you that CJ should come back into the side (he shouldn't even be out of it in my opinion..Bate and others were very lucky) but Ward can't be the man to go out before even having the chance to perform!

Not calling for heads, looking at the next 2-3 years of this footy club. CJ needs to play, and as great as wardy is, he wont be around then. We need to mould CJ, and we cant very well drop whelan or bell to do it.

ND has gone into survival mode, he is trying to win games with the old faithful and neglecting to develop our younger players. Three ruckman, one was a star but time is catching up, one cant get a kick and one can't mark overhead. CJ I'm not angry that he got dropped, I'm angry for who he got dropped for. If it was Petterd or Buckley good lets see what they have got. If we lose this week what will ND acheive, playing old players and not showing us fans our youth. If we win though is it a master stroke or a short term fix that may be highlighted in the weeks to come. Only time will tell.

And on the other side of the coin Collingwood have the balls to bring in Dick, Cox and Johnson in one fell swoop.

c.j has been an utter dissopointment however its only round 3. good to see him dropped. have concirns about this kid but time will tell

And on the other side of the coin Collingwood have the balls to bring in Dick, Cox and Johnson in one fell swoop.

And they all contributed to a winning cause

ND has gone into survival mode, he is trying to win games with the old faithful and neglecting to develop our younger players. Three ruckman, one was a star but time is catching up, one cant get a kick and one can't mark overhead. CJ I'm not angry that he got dropped, I'm angry for who he got dropped for. If it was Petterd or Buckley good lets see what they have got. If we lose this week what will ND acheive, playing old players and not showing us fans our youth. If we win though is it a master stroke or a short term fix that may be highlighted in the weeks to come. Only time will tell.

How could he go into survival mode? If he does not get Top 4 he's gone.

He is seeking to win games by using the available depth. Its a big ask to get young players in development mode to come out and ont only compete but win. Both a risks. I think there is a lesser risk by doing what is done.

Tactically we need to close down the game and make it a scrap on our terms. Nullify the Cats. I believe experience would be valuable in this process.

How did you work out PJ was replacing CJ? Same surname?

If we win its more of short term fix but a fair dollop of credit.

The next 8 weeks is critical to our season to get our best players back.

Its amazing we are 0 and 2 and some supporters are calling for tactics that wave the white flag and say the seasons over. What a cop out.

And they all contributed to a winning cause

Against a crippled and poorly performed Richmond. Even their coach says will not challenge til 2011. That another issue in itself

Collingwood have gone into this season with a dubious finals chance.

They traded Tarrant. Their best on their list are old and injury prone and falling off the pace. Their recruiting in the past five years has been ordinary.

What other choice do they have?

Aside the goal to one of their debutants they did little

Their best on their list are old and injury prone and falling off the pace.

Are you sure you're not talking about Melbourne here? <_<

Daniher wants to win and is doing whatever he can to make that happen. His faith in our depth never ceases to amaze, and I just hope he's right.

Maybe as more injured players return, we'll see the inclusion of a few more new faces to excite us.

Certainly Dunn and Sylvia (both not fit this week), but maybe also Buckley, Frawley and Newton.

Aside the goal to one of their debutants they did little

If it had been a Melbourne game and Newton had debuted with 12 touches and 3 goals, Garland had got the ball 11 times and kicked 2 and Pettard had 8 possessions with limited game time time, I'd hope you wouldn't be so dismissive of those efforts.

How could he go into survival mode? If he does not get Top 4 he's gone.

Are you certain this will be the case?

The rub here is we don't have the list and haven't come anywhere near resembling anything like an premiership outfit for as long as I can remember. Never have.

Would be most 'un Melbourne like' to step out of the familiar surrounds and charter new waters.

A modicum of credit if we win? Highly Unlikely.