Trump v. Biden

[Wrecker45 3,378]

1 minute ago, Macca said:

It tells me that Trump has amazing magnetism & charisma.  That cannot be denied dieter.

He'll be back in some form,  make no mistake. 

Trump TV could easily surface and that's my bet.  And who wouldn't watch it? (What did Trump say tonight?)  Even the far left can't stop looking at Trump. 

As for being the leader of the Republicans I'm not so sure it would satisfy the man.  It's one thing being in charge but in opposition?  If he wants it,  it's his,  but he craves the limelight & the adulation

He needs an audience

He is not going away in a hurry but at least he won't be occupying the oval office. 

Trump TV is a certainty.

Ivanka will likely be the next Republican nominee. I think it was Jaded who asked how did 71m Americans vote for Trump?

The only reason Biden won was because of Trump hatred. I don't think anyone was voting for Biden or his policies.

Ivanka doesn't have the same baggage and will get all the same support.

[Macca 16,972]

1 minute ago, Wrecker45 said:

Is Trump racist? I don't know.

You don't know?  What!?

To me,  he is an obvious racist (anyway) and tens of millions (perhaps hundreds of millions) agree with me

Are they all wrong or do the 10's of millions just misunderstand the man en masse ... I use the word 'man' loosely because he's not a 'real' man.

And by the way,  this election was decided upon racial lines and Trump had no Trump card to play this time

He lost by a big margin in the end.  And he still can't come to terms with losing. 

Sooks will do that

 

 

[Macca 16,972]

9 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Trump TV is a certainty.

Ivanka will likely be the next Republican nominee. I think it was Jaded who asked how did 71m Americans vote for Trump?

The only reason Biden won was because of Trump hatred. I don't think anyone was voting for Biden or his policies.

Ivanka doesn't have the same baggage and will get all the same support.

I wouldn't rule anything out with the Trump family and Ivanka vs Kamala would be an interesting possible match-up

As for Trump hatred,  what's there to like?  No redeeming features that I can see although I can see how he can appeal to numerous others. 

I mean, you wouldn't have him as a mate would you?  Interesting for about 10 minutes and then everyone is looking for the exit sign (when's he gonna shut up?)

[Wrecker45 3,378]

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

You don't know?  What!?

To me,  he is an obvious racist (anyway) and tens of millions (perhaps hundreds of millions) agree with me

Are they all wrong or do the 10's of millions just misunderstand the man en masse ... I use the word 'man' loosely because he's not a 'real' man.

And by the way,  this election was decided upon racial lines and Trump had no Trump card to play this time

He lost by a big margin in the end.  And he still can't come to terms with losing. 

Sooks will do that

 

 

Macca - all you need to do is provide evidence rather than hearsay and I will agree with you.

It can't be that hard he has had a microphone resting on his mouth constantly for over 20 years.

[Macca 16,972]

2 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Macca - all you need to do is provide evidence rather than hearsay and I will agree with you.

It can't be that hard he has had a microphone resting on his mouth constantly for over 20 years.

But racists aren't up front are they?

They hide their racism and they do it well.  Clever,  but easily seen through.  Or should I say,  they think they are clever.  Extreme racists put hoods over their heads to disguise their identity

How about I just point to the 10's of millions that have labelled him a racist ... in fact,  white Supremacist gets bandied about a lot as well

For the life of me,  I don't understand why you continue to defend Trump.  As previously stated,  you must really hate the left with a passion

At some stage you will try and disassociate yourself from Trump but it won't work

You're stuck with him for life

[Accepting Mediocrity 1,418]

12 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

There are obvious anomalies with the voting.

5 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Are you saying there was 0% fraud?

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

I'll take it you think voter fraud is just a technicality based on your response. I think it is more serious than that.

 

 

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

Macca - all you need to do is provide evidence rather than hearsay and I will agree with you.

Pffft. Evidence is for schmucks.

Edited November 24, 2020 by Accepting Mediocrity

[Wrecker45 3,378]

6 hours ago, Accepting Mediocrity said:

 

 

Pffft. Evidence is for schmucks.

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/initiatives/election-integrity

[Jaded No More 68,925]

20 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

That's the problem the democrats felt Biden was the only candidate capable of beating Trump. If Harris is such a gun why not run with her?

I personally would have run with Amy Klobuchar.

Trump's legal team are hopeless. You tend to run into problems when you only keep people around you that agree with you. Daniel Andrews suffers from this syndrome as well.

There are obvious anomalies with the voting. Not enough to swing the result but they need to be investigated.

Hopefully Biden / Harris nationalise the voting rules. How can Nevada counters get a day off during the count when it only happens every 4 years? Not using that as an example of an anomaly, just how ridiculous the state based rules can be.

 

 

Americans aren’t ready for a female president. It’s sad but true. Harris wouldn’t beat Trump. She’s more likable than Clinton but she’s still a woman. And a woman of colour at that.

America is far too conservative for that. 

Edited November 24, 2020 by Jaded

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There's a term for a person like Trump.  Not a second one, though.  

[Wrecker45 3,378]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

Americans aren’t ready for a female president. It’s sad but true. Harris wouldn’t beat Trump. She’s more likable than Clinton but she’s still a woman. And a woman of colour at that.

America is far too conservative for that. 

Bet you the next Republican president will be a female and hated by feminists because she is conservative.

The Democrats will do female politicians no favours if they parachute Harris into president without being elected by the people.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

The more strong women in politics across the globe the better.

30 years ago this week.

 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

12 hours ago, Macca said:

But racists aren't up front are they?

They hide their racism and they do it well.  Clever,  but easily seen through.  Or should I say,  they think they are clever.  Extreme racists put hoods over their heads to disguise their identity

How about I just point to the 10's of millions that have labelled him a racist ... in fact,  white Supremacist gets bandied about a lot as well

For the life of me,  I don't understand why you continue to defend Trump.  As previously stated,  you must really hate the left with a passion

At some stage you will try and disassociate yourself from Trump but it won't work

You're stuck with him for life

So racists hide their racism by not saying racist things? Sounds to me like you are looking for racism where it doesn't exist 

Trump is clearly sexist based on the fact he has said sexist things.

Why don't we just stick to what he says and tweets rather than imagining what is going on in that very different brain of his.

[dieter 3,325]

36 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

So racists hide their racism by not saying racist things? Sounds to me like you are looking for racism where it doesn't exist 

Trump is clearly sexist based on the fact he has said sexist things.

Why don't we just stick to what he says and tweets rather than imagining what is going on in that very different brain of his.

You want Trump racist 'facts':

VII. “Go Back to Their Huts”

In office, Donald Trump followed through on his promise to curb immigration from majority-Muslim countries. He created a commission to investigate voter fraud (virtually nonexistent, according to state election officials), claiming that he would have won the popular vote but for millions of ballots cast by people in the U.S. illegally. He shut down the government for 35 days in an attempt to secure funding for a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. He reportedly referred to African countries as “[censored]” nations—asking why the U.S. can’t have more immigrants from Norway instead—and complained that, after seeing America, immigrants from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts.” The administration favored victims of Hurricane Harvey, which hit Houston, over those of Hurricane Maria, which hit Puerto Rico, sending three times as many workers to Houston and approving 23 times as much money for individual assistance within the first nine days after each hurricane.

 

On August 12, a black man named DeAndre Harris was beaten by at least four white supremacists. At about 1:45 p.m. that day, James Alex Fields Jr., a 20-year-old white supremacist from Ohio, drove his Dodge Challenger into a crowd of counterprotesters, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer and injuring 35 others. Fields was convicted in December 2018 of first-degree murder. In March, he pleaded guilty to 29 of 30 federal hate-crime charges in a separate trial. Speaking on the afternoon of the attack from his Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club, Trump denounced “this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides.” He paused, then repeated: “On many sides.” Lisa Woolfork is a UVA professor and an organizer with Black Lives Matter’s Charlottesville chapter. Jason Kessler was an organizer of the rally.

Trump did not let up. In May 2012, he told the CNN host Wolf Blitzer that “a lot of people do not think it was an authentic certificate.” In August, he called the birth certificate “a fraud.” Finally, in September 2016, under political pressure during his presidential campaign, Trump acknowledged that Obama had in fact been born in the United States. That was not the end of the matter. In November 2017, The New York Times reported that Trump was still privately asserting that Obama’s birth certificate may have been fraudulent.

 

 

V. “He Doesn’t Have a Birth Certificate”

“Our current president came out of nowhere, came out of nowhere … The people who went to school with him—they never saw him; they don’t know who he is.” That statement, made at the February 2011 Conservative Political Action Conference, marked the launch of Donald Trump’s public efforts to sow doubt about whether President Barack Obama had been born in the United States. “Birtherism” had been festering for several years before Trump embraced it—supplanting other proponents and becoming its most prominent advocate. In March, on The View, Trump called on Obama to show his birth certificate. In April, he said that he had dispatched a team of investigators to Hawaii to search for Obama’s birth records.

For Trump, the run-up to birtherism had been a controversy that flared when a Manhattan developer proposed building an Islamic cultural center on a site in Lower Manhattan—the so-called Ground Zero mosque. In 2010, on the Late Show, Trump told David Letterman: “I think it’s very insensitive to build it there. I think it’s not appropriate.” Letterman pushed back, saying that blocking an Islamic facility would be akin to declaring “war with Muslims.” Trump answered: “Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.” Trump offered to buy out one of the investors in order to halt the project. The action made him one of the project’s key opponents and for the first time gave him national visibility on the political right.

 

Anti-Muslim sentiment animated Trump’s birtherism campaign. He said of Obama on The Laura Ingraham Show in March 2011: “He doesn’t have a birth certificate, or if he does, there’s something on that certificate that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me—and I have no idea whether this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be—that where it says ‘religion,’ it might have ‘Muslim.’ ” 

Sam Nunberg became an adviser to Trump after working with him to oppose the Islamic cultural center. Jerome Corsi, the author of Where’s the Birth Certificate?, and Orly Taitz, a dentist and an attorney, are among the instigators of the birther movement. Dan Pfeiffer was the White House communications director.

 

 

III. “They Don’t Look Like Indians to Me”

In the early 1990s, Trump attempted to block the building of new casinos in Connecticut and New York that could cut into his casino operations in Atlantic City. (All of Trump’s casinos eventually went into bankruptcy.) In October 1993, Trump appeared before the House Subcommittee on Native American Affairs of the Committee on Natural Resources. The subcommittee was chaired by Bill Richardson, later New Mexico’s governor. Trump was there to support an effort to modify legislation that had given Native American tribes the right to own and operate casinos. George Miller, a Democrat from California and the chair of the Committee on Natural Resources, was also present.

Tadd Johnson, of the Minnesota Chippewa Tribe, Bois Forte Band, served as the Democratic counsel on the subcommittee. Rick Hill is a former chair of the National Indian Gaming Association and of the Oneida Tribe in Wisconsin. Pat Williams was a member of Congress from Montana.

Trump began by noting that he had prepared a “politically correct” statement for the committee, but almost immediately went off script. The hearing became loud and acrimonious.

 

II. “Bring Back the Death Penalty”

The so-called Central Park Five were a group of black and Latino teens who were accused—wrongly—of raping a white woman in Central Park on April 19, 1989. Donald Trump took out full-page ads in all four major New York newspapers to argue that perpetrators of crimes such as this one “should be forced to suffer” and “be executed.” In two trials, in August and December 1990, the youths were convicted of violent offenses including assault, robbery, rape, sodomy, and attempted murder; their sentences ranged from five to 15 years in prison. In 2002, after the discovery of exonerating DNA evidence and the confession by another individual to the crime, the convictions of the Central Park Five were vacated. The men were awarded a settlement of $41 million for false arrest, malicious prosecution, and a racially motivated conspiracy to deprive them of their rights. Trump took to the pages of the New York Daily News, calling the settlement “a disgrace.” During his 2016 presidential campaign, Trump would again insist on the guilt of the Central Park Five.

 

Jonathan C. Moore represented four of the Central Park Five when they later sued the City of New York. Yusef Salaam was one of the five young men who were wrongly convicted. Timothy L. O’Brien spent hundreds of hours with Trump while researching his 2005 book, TrumpNation. C. Vernon Mason represented Salaam and other defendants.

 

I. “You Don’t Want to Live With Them Either”

The Justice Department’s 1973 lawsuit against Trump Management Company focused on 39 properties in New York City. The government alleged that employees were directed to tell African American lease applicants that there were no open apartments. Company policy, according to an employee quoted in court documents, was to rent only to “Jews and executives.”

The Justice Department frequently used consent decrees to settle discrimination cases, offering redress to plaintiffs while allowing defendants to avoid an admission of guilt. The rationale: Consent decrees achieved speedier results with less public rancor.

Nathaniel Jones was the general counsel for the NAACP. He later became a federal judge. John Yinger, an economist specializing in residential discrimination, served at the time as an expert witness in a number of fair-housing cases. Elyse Goldweber, a Justice Department lawyer, brought the first federal suit against Trump Management.

 

[dieter 3,325]

13 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Macca - all you need to do is provide evidence rather than hearsay and I will agree with you.

It can't be that hard he has had a microphone resting on his mouth constantly for over 20 years.

Here's a list of Trump's racist rants, summarised on Wikepedia:

• 1Pre-presidency
  • 1.1Housing discrimination cases
  • 1.2Central Park jogger case
  • 1.3Black professionals
  • 1.4White supremacist David Duke
  • 1.5Native American casino industry
  • 1.6The Apprentice
  • 1.7Barack Obama's citizenship
• 22016 campaign
  • 2.1Mexican immigrants
  • 2.2Proposed Muslim immigration ban
  • 2.3Hispanic judge
  • 2.4Hate crime
  • 2.5New Jersey Arabs
  • 2.6Somali refugees
  • 2.7Racial accusations on Twitter and in debates
  • 2.8Minority outreach during 2016 campaign
• 3Presidency
  • 3.1Immigration policy
  • 3.2Judicial appointments
  • 3.3Black Caucus
  • 3.4Derogatory statements towards Haiti and Nigeria
  • 3.5Hurricane Maria
  • 3.6Pardon of Joe Arpaio
  • 3.7NFL national anthem protests
  • 3.8Charlottesville rally
  • 3.9Elizabeth Warren
  • 3.10"Pretty Korean lady"
  • 3.11"[censored] countries"
    • 3.11.1Response from Republicans
    • 3.11.2Response from Democrats
    • 3.11.3International response
  • 3.12"The Snake" song and story
  • 3.13Alice Marie Johnson
  • 3.14Immigrants in Europe
  • 3.15White farmers in South Africa
  • 3.16"I am a nationalist"
  • 3.17Trump-backed ad removed
  • 3.18Harriet Tubman on the twenty-dollar bill
  • 3.19Democratic congresswomen should "go back" to their countries
  • 3.20"Rat and rodent infested mess"
  • 3.21Mass shooting in Texas
  • 3.22Jewish voters who support Democrats "disloyal"
  • 3.23Support of Stephen Miller
  • 3.24"Chinese Virus" and "Kung Flu"
  • 3.25"When the looting starts, the shooting starts"
  • 3.26Moving date of Tulsa rally
  • 3.27Lincoln's end result "questionable"
  • 3.28Videos of black men attacking white people
  • 3.29"Bad hombres" and rapists
  • 3.30"White Power" retweet
  • 3.31Criticism of the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing program
  • 3.32Independence Day speech
  • 3.33Support for Confederate symbols
  • 3.34Reversal of the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing Rule
  • 3.35Opposition to diversity training
  • 3.36Claims of racism by his former attorney
  • 3.37Interview with Bob Woodward
• 42020 campaign
  • 4.1Nazi symbol in Facebook ads
  • 4.2Kamala Harris citizenship conspiracy theories
  • 4.3NYC Subway assault tweet
  • 4.4"Good genes"
  • 4.5First 2020 presidential debate
• 5Impact
  • 5.1Effects on students
  • 5.2Effects on children
  • 5.3Reactions by the Congressional Black Caucus
• 6Defenses of Donald Trump
• 7Analysis
  • 7.1Journalists and pundits
  • 7.2Academics
• 8Opinion polling
• 9References
• 10Further reading
• 11External links

[Wrecker45 3,378]

2 minutes ago, dieter said:

Here's a list of Trump's racist rants, summarised on Wikepedia:

• 1Pre-presidency
  • 1.1Housing discrimination cases
  • 1.2Central Park jogger case
  • 1.3Black professionals
  • 1.4White supremacist David Duke
  • 1.5Native American casino industry
  • 1.6The Apprentice
  • 1.7Barack Obama's citizenship
• 22016 campaign
  • 2.1Mexican immigrants
  • 2.2Proposed Muslim immigration ban
  • 2.3Hispanic judge
  • 2.4Hate crime
  • 2.5New Jersey Arabs
  • 2.6Somali refugees
  • 2.7Racial accusations on Twitter and in debates
  • 2.8Minority outreach during 2016 campaign
• 3Presidency
  • 3.1Immigration policy
  • 3.2Judicial appointments
  • 3.3Black Caucus
  • 3.4Derogatory statements towards Haiti and Nigeria
  • 3.5Hurricane Maria
  • 3.6Pardon of Joe Arpaio
  • 3.7NFL national anthem protests
  • 3.8Charlottesville rally
  • 3.9Elizabeth Warren
  • 3.10"Pretty Korean lady"
  • 3.11"[censored] countries"
    • 3.11.1Response from Republicans
    • 3.11.2Response from Democrats
    • 3.11.3International response
  • 3.12"The Snake" song and story
  • 3.13Alice Marie Johnson
  • 3.14Immigrants in Europe
  • 3.15White farmers in South Africa
  • 3.16"I am a nationalist"
  • 3.17Trump-backed ad removed
  • 3.18Harriet Tubman on the twenty-dollar bill
  • 3.19Democratic congresswomen should "go back" to their countries
  • 3.20"Rat and rodent infested mess"
  • 3.21Mass shooting in Texas
  • 3.22Jewish voters who support Democrats "disloyal"
  • 3.23Support of Stephen Miller
  • 3.24"Chinese Virus" and "Kung Flu"
  • 3.25"When the looting starts, the shooting starts"
  • 3.26Moving date of Tulsa rally
  • 3.27Lincoln's end result "questionable"
  • 3.28Videos of black men attacking white people
  • 3.29"Bad hombres" and rapists
  • 3.30"White Power" retweet
  • 3.31Criticism of the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing program
  • 3.32Independence Day speech
  • 3.33Support for Confederate symbols
  • 3.34Reversal of the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing Rule
  • 3.35Opposition to diversity training
  • 3.36Claims of racism by his former attorney
  • 3.37Interview with Bob Woodward
• 42020 campaign
  • 4.1Nazi symbol in Facebook ads
  • 4.2Kamala Harris citizenship conspiracy theories
  • 4.3NYC Subway assault tweet
  • 4.4"Good genes"
  • 4.5First 2020 presidential debate
• 5Impact
  • 5.1Effects on students
  • 5.2Effects on children
  • 5.3Reactions by the Congressional Black Caucus
• 6Defenses of Donald Trump
• 7Analysis
  • 7.1Journalists and pundits
  • 7.2Academics
• 8Opinion polling
• 9References
• 10Further reading
• 11External links

If those same links were posted on Sky News or another Murdoch link would you accept them?

[dieter 3,325]

1 minute ago, Wrecker45 said:

If those same links were posted on Sky News or another Murdoch link would you accept them?

Yet another evasion; more sophistry. You asked for proof of Trump's racism. But you won't accept it because it didn't come from Sky or Murdoch.

[Macca 16,972]

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

So racists hide their racism by not saying racist things? Sounds to me like you are looking for racism where it doesn't exist 

Trump is clearly sexist based on the fact he has said sexist things.

Why don't we just stick to what he says and tweets rather than imagining what is going on in that very different brain of his.

Reckon dieter has covered the Trump racism exceptionally well (thanks dieter)

And you just continue to deflect ... it's quite pathetic really.  You talk like a politician ... the very thing you detest about politics

I don't even know why I bother with people like you ... you're beyond help

But you go ahead and embrace the alt-right (lets face it,  you refuse to condemn the alt-right)

[Wrecker45 3,378]

29 minutes ago, dieter said:

Yet another evasion; more sophistry. You asked for proof of Trump's racism. But you won't accept it because it didn't come from Sky or Murdoch.

No I asked if you would accept the same links if they came from one of Murdoch's stables. Yes or No it should be an easy answer.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

17 minutes ago, Macca said:

Reckon dieter has covered the Trump racism exceptionally well (thanks dieter)

And you just continue to deflect ... it's quite pathetic really.  You talk like a politician ... the very thing you detest about politics

I don't even know why I bother with people like you ... you're beyond help

But you go ahead and embrace the alt-right (lets face it,  you refuse to condemn the alt-right)

You are (Macca) what you detest. You hide your leftism and deflect. You hide your ideas but dislike others for doing it.

Hypocrite.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Macca - I like the way you have resorted to emojis because you are so hopelessly out of your depth.

When you can't counter an argument just throw a face palm in.

[Macca 16,972]

20 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

You are (Macca) what you detest. You hide your leftism and deflect. You hide your ideas but dislike others for doing it.

You're wrong ... it's quite ok to critique all sides of politics.  I should know,  I've done it all my life

Left wing governments in this country get in the way of me running my small business.  Too much bureaucracy,  red tape,  taxes,  rules & regulations etc etc

So I'm more inclined to vote right but not alt-right (like you do)

You're just stuck in the us versus them mentality.  And you will never change

You're narrow-minded and you've been that way from a young age.  Brainwashed by political idealism's (like many on the left or right)

Anyway,  just a reminder that you lost the presidency but hopefully the Republicans can come up with a worthy candidate next time.  Do that and they can return to the White House

[Macca 16,972]

9 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Macca - I like the way you have resorted to emojis

You did it to me early on in this discussion so you're just getting it back

Quit your moaning

[Wrecker45 3,378]

12 minutes ago, Macca said:

You did it to me early on in this discussion so you're just getting it back

Quit your moaning

 

20 minutes ago, Macca said:

You're wrong ... it's quite ok to critique all sides of politics.  I should know,  I've done it all my life

Left wing governments in this country get in the way of me running my small business.  Too much bureaucracy,  red tape,  taxes,  rules & regulations etc etc

So I'm more inclined to vote right but not alt-right (like you do)

You're just stuck in the us versus them mentality.  And you will never change

You're narrow-minded and you've been that way from a young age.  Brainwashed by political idealism's (like many on the left or right)

Anyway,  just a reminder that you lost the presidency but hopefully the Republicans can come up with a worthy candidate next time.  Do that and they can return to the White House

A few points

1)I always change and adapt

2) I have never voted for an alt right group that you seem to have a hangup about. I cross off the greens and socialist parties first but after that my preferences flow to the parties with platforms I agree with

3) I didn't lose the presidency

 

 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Lost for words again Macca?

[Macca 16,972]

5 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

 

So you labelled me a leftie years ago and I'm now labelling you an alt-right 'type' 4 years late

See that's the way you alt-right types work ... it's all confrontational but you screech like banshees when it comes back at you.  Bit soft

Do you even understand what hypocrisy is?