On 9/24/2020 at 7:42 PM, Watts the matter said:

I think Tomlinson delivered what most of us expected. Was not excited about his recruitment in the slightest. Played alright when moved down back but just like Lever, was a poor list management move.

If he holds up a key position in defence which he seemed more than capable of doing at the end, then it will be money well spent. We won't need to rely on below standard defenders like omac

2 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

When they were counting down the top 5 and read Oliver out first I shook my head.   Underappreciated by his own coaching staff.

 Langdon and Viney,  FMD.

Gawn finishing 6th was bit of a joke too, although he missed 3 games.

 

My read is that there are possibly two things gong on with Oliver. 1 is that the b and f rewards consistency as every player gets votes for each game not just the top three and 2 he isn't following instructions from the coaching staff as much as they would like and is perhaps not as accountable to his opponent. Jack l think runs both ways better than any of the mids but is perhaps less dynamic but consistent. As you say, Max missed games which hits you more in the b and f due to the voting system mentioned. Oliver's kicking particularly early on was really poor 

Edited October 19, 20204 yr by Demons1858

On 9/25/2020 at 7:13 AM, Better days ahead said:

I didn’t pay enough attention when we recruited him tbh but if this is his level of output then it’s a black mark against our recruitment team for sure.

At this stage after ONE season I rate Tommo about the same as Kent at St Kilda for value fir the team.

I was pleased with Tommo when at CHB in the last few rounds and believe he will be a valuable depth and versatile option in defence wing forward  and on the ball.

Nowhere near as bad as some D/L fans are making out. Solid and dependable without spectacular upside. Good team player.

On 9/24/2020 at 8:17 AM, spirit of norm smith said:

I reckon the mood was low. I know we didn’t make finals and cannot accept mediocrity etc etc and need to be ruthless etc etc 

but 

don’t beat yourself up. The footy gods can be tough. The season was crazy and completely disrupted.  As we have said there were plenty of positives and positive signs. Whilst we blew our chance with losses to Freo and swans , perhaps 9th is about right. 

Trac

May

Viney

Langdon

Oliver

Gawn

All showed they are excellent players imo and whilst Gawn ultimately slipped down the B&F, he was playing really well until getting injured.  

Rivers, Jackson and Kozzzzy showed us they were capable and will get better

Salem stepped up a notch and can get better. Hibbo was tough and reliable. Tomlinson serviceable. 

Sure some downturn in Harmes and Brayshaw but they can get back with the right opportunity and positioning. 
 

Sometimes you need to smile.
 

The time for anger and drive is the start of preseason.  
 

 

 

What about Fritta potentially good but ultimately disappointing season. Needs good gym program and pschycology to improve confidence.

Agree Bailey Fritsch has another good year but it was also a very frustrating year.  

 

22 goals 24 behinds and about 10 OOB left us wanting more. Potentially a 35 goal season imo.  
 

He is sometimes casual looking (maybe just his style) and his 50 metre penalty v Lions in the dying minute was just stupid. 

 

He has signed on again and he’s only 22 so massive upside still as a late developer.  

8 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

When they were counting down the top 5 and read Oliver out first I shook my head.   Underappreciated by his own coaching staff.

 Langdon and Viney,  FMD.

Gawn finishing 6th was bit of a joke too, although he missed 3 games.

 

Agree that Oliver was better than 5th this year (and Gawn was better than 6th but missed games so fair enough), however he got very lucky in 2019 when he wasn't our best player but still tied for the Bluey because Gawn missed in effect two games (Brisbane when he was injured by quarter time and then Carlton the week after due to the same injury). These things are always in the eye of the beholder.  As I said in another post, Rob Flower is the best Melbourne player in my lifetime.  He won the Bluey once, in generally hopeless teams.  Peter Moore and Brian Wilson both had outstanding Brownlow winning years in the 80's and neither won the Bluey.  Danny Hughes beat Gerard Healy in 1985 when Healy had an outstanding season - his last in red and blue. Viney beat Gawn in 2016 which was a staggering decision considering Gawn dominated that season, was AA and polled 16 Brownlow votes.  It's a bit of a raffle.  I think our top 6 this year were the best 6 players.  The order - probably not right but when you have 4 people independently giving scores out of 10 you'll get all sorts of differing views.  People rate the AFLCA votes - Polec got 4 off Teague when North played Carlton and the umps gave him 1 Brownlow vote, yet he was dropped for next game by Shaw.

 

1 hour ago, Swooper1987 said:

Agree that Oliver was better than 5th this year (and Gawn was better than 6th but missed games so fair enough), however he got very lucky in 2019 when he wasn't our best player but still tied for the Bluey because Gawn missed in effect two games (Brisbane when he was injured by quarter time and then Carlton the week after due to the same injury). These things are always in the eye of the beholder.  As I said in another post, Rob Flower is the best Melbourne player in my lifetime.  He won the Bluey once, in generally hopeless teams.  Peter Moore and Brian Wilson both had outstanding Brownlow winning years in the 80's and neither won the Bluey.  Danny Hughes beat Gerard Healy in 1985 when Healy had an outstanding season - his last in red and blue. Viney beat Gawn in 2016 which was a staggering decision considering Gawn dominated that season, was AA and polled 16 Brownlow votes.  It's a bit of a raffle.  I think our top 6 this year were the best 6 players.  The order - probably not right but when you have 4 people independently giving scores out of 10 you'll get all sorts of differing views.  People rate the AFLCA votes - Polec got 4 off Teague when North played Carlton and the umps gave him 1 Brownlow vote, yet he was dropped for next game by Shaw.

 

I think that you are right Swooper, we picked our best 6 on Demonland and this played out on "Bluey" Truscott Night and Brownlow Medal night it was just the player order that changed, I felt that Clayton and Max were in the right order after Tracc and having 3 players in the top 11 was very satisfying.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!