2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Is it coincidence that now Viney senior is gone Jack gets demoted....?

Could well be. 
$100 on the table Jack will become twice the player he was last year. I hope he is [censored] off, he will have motivation to prove a point. 
 

Good for everyone except his opponents

35 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Is it coincidence that now Viney senior is gone Jack gets demoted....?

Yes

Not sure if mentioned here yet, but Viney is also out of contract end of this year I'm pretty sure.

 

Just now, Lord Nev said:

Not sure if mentioned here yet, but Viney is also out of contract end of this year I'm pretty sure.

 

restricted free agent

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Not sure if mentioned here yet, but Viney is also out of contract end of this year I'm pretty sure.

 

Should be a good year for him then

We need all our Guns playing to their best. 

I think Viney’s free agency will be fascinating.

If the rumour is true and he has lost the captaincy, obviously there are flaws in his leadership.

Nobody can question his hunger for the ball and physicality, plus he has the family connection to the club.

But when you take those more emotional elements away, you have a historically injury prone undersized inside mid with poor foot skills who hasn’t really performed unless he is onball so lacks position flexibility.

Do you eat up a sizeable chunk of your salary cap for that player?

I would like Viney to be a defensive first/tagger mid in 2020. Use that manic focus and attack to curb a key opposition mid, and then his 15-20 scrappy and rushed disposals are more palatable than the current 20-30 scrappy and rushed disposals without curbing an opponent’s influence.

6 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Is it coincidence that now Viney senior is gone Jack gets demoted....?

The thing about potential conflict of interest is it’s a no win situation.

If Jack Viney genuinely was the right choice for co-captain (subjective in itself as there is no agreed criteria for what makes the best captain) there would still be the question asked of whether the conflict of interest led to the appointment as per what I’ve quoted - which is bad.

And if the conflict did lead to a nepotistic appointment without appropriate merit, that’s clearly bad as it loses the benefits of making the best decision for the broader group.

Either way it’s bad.

Carlton eventually did what had to be done with the Silvagni situation, and Melbourne with the Vineys.

I don’t care what anyone says about Chinese Walls or abstaining conflicted people from votes - it’s rubbish as the conflicted person if senior enough will still hold influence, even if it’s a look while passing in the hall or subtle (or not so subtle) electioneering prior to decisions.

I had the daughter of a senior exec  at my work suddenly beat out 100 applicants for a position in my colleague’s team. She had a terrible attitude, but she thought she was wonderful. She had a pattern of spending 6-12 months in a role which showed her that “the job was not right for me” and she would miraculously land another role. Her father had no direct line management calls over where she landed roles, but it still happened.

I’m not saying Jack is in that boat, but it can be a real morale killer for colleagues to have the feel of nepotism or conflict of interest even if there isn’t any in reality.

Edited February 21, 20206 yr by Lampers
Added a little more context

Jack is awesome. No one at mfc is built more for finals footy and crunch games than he is. And to me that's the greatest sign of a leader.  There is a difference between leadership and friendship and l hope the younger players doing the voting know the difference. There is no way Stephen may should be in the leadership group. Came back fat only a year ago and hasn't proven anything yet

Seems to me like Steven May is the best leader we have