Why Melbourne Can't Be Trusted

[Sir Why You Little 37,039]

7 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Out of 36 game this year 34 games have had at least one team kick 4 or more in a row. Is this a problem across all teams or just the current buzz topic for Melb.

Carlton has conceded 4 or more goals 8 times. 10 in a row the biggest.

Bris - 7 (11)

Stk – 6 (7)

WB – 5 (9)

Suns – 5 (5)

Melb – 5 (10)

Haw - 4 (4)

Adel – 3 (5)

Coll – 3 (4)

GWS – 3 (7)

WCE – 3 (6)

SYD – 3 (4)

Rich – 2 (5)

Ess – 2 (5)

Port – 2 (4)

Freo 2 (4)

Nth – 2 (5)

Gee – 2 (5)

One of our problems is we look at other sides deficiencies and think “oh they are doing it to, so it is not so bad”

i do not care what 17 other sides are doing, we fix our problems, we win

Rounds 22 +23 last year cost us a Finals spot. 

Last Summer should have been Priority 1, tighten up opposition scoring, and if it was, last sunday proved 100% that whatever coaching methods are being taught are a complete failure. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by Sir Why You Little

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

10 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Yes. How does it compare to other teams, the league average, and how does that statistic correlate with match results?

Anyway Steve, I thought you were in the "statistics, pssssh, I use my eyes" camp. I didn't think you would be interested in discussing the relevance of a stat.

 I'm interested in why it happens to us and how we can fix it. None of us needed to see those 'stats' to be able to recognise the ease at which opposition sides score once in our back-half. And yes of course there's a direct correlation between that happening and the result of a match. 

I can't imagine there'd be too many teams ahead of us in that list that Gerard brought up. And if there are, they'd be most likely Carlton, Gold Coast, North and Brisbane.

Please yourself though if you, like Wiseblood, believe to think it's no big deal.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 minutes ago, P-man said:

I guess it's a matter of how often it happens to particular teams. Carlton isn't the most flattering team to be sharing a sentence with.

Agreed, but it does go to show that we aren't exactly on an island here.

For us, at least, we can see that the issue is fixable IF Goodwin and co. fix it in the right way.  We have the personnel and we have the ability to play some great footy for longer periods of time.  We just need to tighten the screws better.

[MurDoc516 1,529]

We are a "good team" our best is better than most. Yet we allow teams to give us a game, when we should be burying them like good teams do. Before you bring up Carlton, Brisbane and North as examples to show this isn't a Melbourne problem, please realise we are playing to be the best while they are rebuilding. Compare us to GWS, Hawks, Cats etc. and see this problem of giving up runs of goals in a game is the reason why we are not two steps ahead of our current position.

 

I watched the Couch earlier this week and our former coach showed some damning footage of our set up behind the ball. Lever is playing infront of our key defenders (O. Mac and Frost) instead of behind like traditional sweepers do. Our defensive line is 15 metres too high and is exposing us to a ball over the top and allowing smaller forwards expose our lack of pace in defence. 

 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Agreed, but it does go to show that we aren't exactly on an island here.

Haha!

Only you could take a positive out of the fact that the Carlton football club have beaten us in that particular stat.

A team who is in complete rebuild mode.

Amazing.

[Sir Why You Little 37,039]

10 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

In 21 of 26 games, we have conceded a run on of 4 or more goals.

In eight of those games we gave up 4 unanswered goals.

In five games we gave up 5.

In four of the games we gave up 6.

In one game we gave up 7. (Brisbane in round 2).

In two we gave up 8. 

And we gave up 10 against Hawthorn last weekend.

 

No biggie though I guess..

 

 

 

 

Jesus H. Christ

i was wondering what the further breakdown was. 

Ever since Round 22 last year when the Bears kick 5 in a row to almost steal the game, i have wondered whether Goodwin has the steel balls this sick club needs. 

We are still sick, make no mistake....

[Nasher 33,616]

 

9 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 Please yourself though if you, like Wiseblood, believe to think it's no big deal.

I don't recall saying it wasn't a big deal.  I said "is it a big deal?" It's a challenge to people who can critically analyse a situation to give it a go.  I haven't put a position forward at all, because I haven't got one; I haven't looked deeply in to it enough to have formed one.  Giving up a run of goals like that doesn't sound good intuitively, but if it's something that happens regularly then perhaps it's less of a deal than it seems.  If it's something that happens routinely in AFL matches then perhaps it's just a function of the game; if that were the case then it diminishes the importance of it.  Perhaps the more important thing to focus on is what happens after or during a run of goals from the opposition? I don't know, but that's the beauty of critical analysis.  You should give it a whiz sometime.

[MurDoc516 1,529]

4 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 I'm interested in why it happens to us and how we can fix it. None of us needed to see those 'stats' to be able to recognise the ease at which opposition sides score once in our back-half. And yes of course there's a direct correlation between that happening and the result of a match. 

I can't imagine there'd be too many teams ahead of us in that list that Gerard brought up. And if there are, they'd be most likely Carlton, Gold Coast, North and Brisbane.

Please yourself though if you, like Wiseblood, believe to think it's no big deal.

It depends what value you put into the words of media pundits. As i mentioned above Paul Roos and Brown both believe Lever is playing way too high and we aren't setting up behind the ball correctly. Crawford thinks we are a young team who play for themselves instead of doing what good teams do and following the plan given by the coaching staff to the letter for four quarters. Crawford also mentioned that this is normal for a young team that's on the verge of being a good team, but i don't think that patience is going to solve everything.

I personally take a lot of stock in what Roosy has to say. The set up behind the ball is wrong, but our defence is lazy and he also showed footage of players not tracking loose runners into defensive 50.
 

 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 minute ago, MurDoc516 said:

It depends what value you put into the words of media pundits. As i mentioned above Paul Roos and Brown both believe Lever is playing way too high and we aren't setting up behind the ball correctly. Crawford thinks we are a young team who play for themselves instead of doing what good teams do and following the plan given by the coaching staff to the letter for four quarters. Crawford also mentioned that this is normal for a young team that's on the verge of being a good team, but i don't think that patience is going to solve everything.

I personally take a lot of stock in what Roosy has to say. The set up behind the ball is wrong, but our defence is lazy and he also showed footage of players not tracking loose runners into defensive 50.
 

 

That's true.

However, last year was the same story and we didn't have Lever.

[Sir Why You Little 37,039]

1 minute ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Haha!

Only you could take a positive out of the fact that the Carlton football club have beaten us in that particular stat.

A team who is in complete rebuild mode.

Amazing.

Wise lives in a little Happy Bubble, in 10 years his posts will not doffer too much, even if we are still on life support. 

I said the same thing to people on here in 2005, and i was right. 

Sadly the drill Sargeant from “Full Metal Jacket” died yesterday. 

We sure could have used him at the MFC

[Wiseblood 24,637]

5 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Haha!

Only you could take a positive out of the fact that the Carlton football club have beaten us in that particular stat.

A team who is in complete rebuild mode.

Amazing.

Yes, because I was just referring to Carlton in this instance, not the rest of the clubs who, at some stage this year, have had a run of goals kicked against them.

Keep self flagellating yourself, Steve.  It suits you.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

2 minutes ago, Nasher said:

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I don't recall saying it wasn't a big deal.  I said "is it a big deal?" It's a challenge to people who can critically analyse a situation to give it a go.  I haven't put a position forward at all, because I haven't got one; I haven't looked deeply in to it enough to have formed one.  Giving up a run of goals like that doesn't sound good intuitively, but if it's something that happens regularly then perhaps it's less of a deal than it seems.  If it's something that happens routinely in AFL matches then perhaps it's just a function of the game; if that were the case then it diminishes the importance of it.  Perhaps the more important thing to focus on is what happens after or during a run of goals from the opposition? I don't know, but that's the beauty of critical analysis.  You should give it a whiz sometime.

It seems strange that there'd be a media circus, (including expert footy analysts) around only one team who have developed a bad habit if indeed every other side was conceding the same amount of 'run-on' goals? 

Would it not? 

They're the ones who do the critical analysis. I find it hard to imagine they'd only point the finger at us if it were happening to most other sides.

 

[Sir Why You Little 37,039]

10 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

We are a "good team" our best is better than most. 

 

We are not a good side if we cannot defend a lead. 

Teams just wait for the bandaids to come loose and attack hard. 

Job done. 

[old dee 23,792]

Well everyone it is probably time we all found other things to do for the next 24 hours it is now Wednesday afternoon.

Time get away from each others throats.

Pause!

[Wiseblood 24,637]

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Wise lives in a little Happy Bubble, in 10 years his posts will not doffer too much, even if we are still on life support. 

I said the same thing to people on here in 2005, and i was right. 

Sadly the drill Sargeant from “Full Metal Jacket” died yesterday. 

We sure could have used him at the MFC

And here I was thinking we were starting to get along, SWYL?

I could say the same about your views on the club - we could win a flag and you'd still find something to complain about from 1964.

But that's life, mate.  I see the issues we have with the game plan all too well.  I just don't feel the need to make wild statements about them, or talk about Round 23, or the 'Norm Smith Curse' or how it's been happening since 1965.  What's the point?  It's a waste of time.

[Gator 17,361]

Favoured team gets thrashed by 11 goals after not putting up a whimper and the news is we "can't be trusted".  What a revelation.  It took unsurpassed genius levels to work that one out.

Btw, Steve, I'm glad I'm permanently occupying a place in your mind.  I intend for that to not change.  

[MurDoc516 1,529]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We are not a good side if we cannot defend a lead. 

Teams just wait for the bandaids to come loose and attack hard. 

Job done. 

We've had games in which we didn't give up 4+ goal runs. We've also had games in which we did and still won easily. Our best football with the talent on our list means we are a good team in the grand scheme of things. However i doubt we will ever be a great team if we can't stop this habit or atleast match the numbers of the current top teams.

[Sir Why You Little 37,039]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

And here I was thinking we were starting to get along, SWYL?

I could say the same about your views on the club - we could win a flag and you'd still find something to complain about from 1964.

But that's life, mate.  I see the issues we have with the game plan all too well.  I just don't feel the need to make wild statements about them, or talk about Round 23, or the 'Norm Smith Curse' or how it's been happening since 1965.  What's the point?  It's a waste of time.

Excuse me. If we won a flag, what exactly would i complain about?

Choose your words carefully

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Yes, because I was just referring to Carlton in this instance, not the rest of the clubs who, at some stage this year, have had a run of goals kicked against them.

Keep self flagellating yourself, Steve.  It suits you.

Relax.

I understand you're more upbeat than I am, so we'll settle it at that.

Obviously all sides concede run-ons at one point or another. 

We however, have a deep-seated issue given the frequency and number of them. 

It's a big problem Wiseblood and a major flaw in our gameplan under Goody given the way we're playing.

[Sir Why You Little 37,039]

1 minute ago, MurDoc516 said:

We've had games in which we didn't give up 4+ goal runs. We've also had games in which we did and still won easily. Our best football with the talent on our list means we are a good team in the grand scheme of things. However i doubt we will ever be a great team if we can't stop this habit or atleast match the numbers of the current top teams.

Too many mental lapses Murdoch, we still doubt our abilities

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, stevethemanjordan said:

Relax.

I understand you're more upbeat than I am, so we'll settle it at that.

That's fair enough.

Just now, stevethemanjordan said:

It's a big problem Wiseblood and a major flaw in our gameplan under Goody given the way we're playing.

I've posted quite a few times in other threads that I see the flaw in the gameplan and that I'm extremely hopeful that Goodwin can turn things around.  I know our press leaves us far too open and I know that our efficiency going forward leaves plenty to be desired at the moment.  I get it as much as anyone else.  I just choose not to make wild, over the top statements about it (not saying you do, but you get my point.)

[Wiseblood 24,637]

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Excuse me. If we won a flag, what exactly would i complain about?

Choose your words carefully

That we didn't win by enough.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

3 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Btw, Steve, I'm glad I'm permanently occupying a place in your mind.  I intend for that to not change.  

Forever and always.

[Sir Why You Little 37,039]

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

 I just don't feel the need to make wild statements about them, or talk about Round 23, or the 'Norm Smith Curse' or how it's been happening since 1965.  What's the point?  It's a waste of time.

It’s not a waste of time at all, we are connected to a history of losing. To not address it is just more band aids. 

This club does not work as hard as a top 4 team. Hasn’t for years. 

Your eyes maybe closed but i look at the bigger history. 

To concede 15 of the last 16 goals on sunday and wipe off 23% on the ladder is just so MFC

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

To concede 15 of the last 16 goals on sunday and wipe off 23% on the ladder is just so MFC

 

Sooooooo MFC.