1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Well posited. So many responses on DL resort to personal attacks rather than comments and thoughts to stimulate discussion, not abuse or worse. Opinions are rightly held freely and put forward so that others may agree or disagree and this enables to reader/thinker to digest and comment without abuse or directed venom. The quality of the writing can make it difficult for some to rise above the former two observations but these also provide indicators of who might well be largely ignored, in future. DDee, your idea was well put and so is your stance. Persist.

 

I raised the idea of linking with an education provider, similar to what Richmond has done.  Essential services is where you will generate an income stream, either by creating something yourself, or a strategic partnership.  A few months later, we announce our alliance with Chisolm.

The only feedback I've heard from DaveyDee has been how we "copied" Richmond.  No communication acknowledging that my idea had merit, and definitely no follow up when the club made the announcement.

DaveyDee picks and chooses who/what they respond to.  It's rarely when there is a chance of a decent discussion, and they would much prefer to dismiss the views of others, take pot shots at the club, or just being a sarcastic poster that comes in and tries to flex their muscles by trying to convince us that they know best.

The bottom line here is purely this. We are a club that is in a city of 5 million people, we have at this point 40,000 members and we must share the city with 8 other clubs, so revenue is tight 

A hell of a lot of Australians gamble on anything, not me, but i am in the minority. So if we get rid of our machines, the revenue is lost to someone else, the gambling won’t stop. 

Replacing $10-12 Million per year would be nigh impossible, let’s be honest. 

Poker Machines are legal to use.

 Same as online Betting last time i looked. 

Just remember the AFL doesn’t pay tax, but you can be sure the clubs do

Edited March 5, 20187 yr by Sir Why You Little

26 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

I raised the idea of linking with an education provider, similar to what Richmond has done.  Essential services is where you will generate an income stream, either by creating something yourself, or a strategic partnership.  A few months later, we announce our alliance with Chisolm.

The only feedback I've heard from DaveyDee has been how we "copied" Richmond.  No communication acknowledging that my idea had merit, and definitely no follow up when the club made the announcement.

DaveyDee picks and chooses who/what they respond to.  It's rarely when there is a chance of a decent discussion, and they would much prefer to dismiss the views of others, take pot shots at the club, or just being a sarcastic poster that comes in and tries to flex their muscles by trying to convince us that they know best.

I was unaware of this and was commenting to support his post and its stance, despite the invective that seems to arise from several sources. Thank you, 'The Chazz' for the further enlightenment but I stand on that support simply and unhindered. Carna Dees,

31 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

I raised the idea of linking with an education provider, similar to what Richmond has done.  Essential services is where you will generate an income stream, either by creating something yourself, or a strategic partnership.  A few months later, we announce our alliance with Chisolm.

The only feedback I've heard from DaveyDee has been how we "copied" Richmond.  No communication acknowledging that my idea had merit, and definitely no follow up when the club made the announcement.

DaveyDee picks and chooses who/what they respond to.  It's rarely when there is a chance of a decent discussion, and they would much prefer to dismiss the views of others, take pot shots at the club, or just being a sarcastic poster that comes in and tries to flex their muscles by trying to convince us that they know best.

I would be interested to find out a little more about this educational link and how it operates, and what are its criteria and intent, more specifically. Was in the education game for 43 years with multiple links myself; Chisholm  was one of these. 

52 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

I raised the idea of linking with an education provider, similar to what Richmond has done.  Essential services is where you will generate an income stream, either by creating something yourself, or a strategic partnership.  A few months later, we announce our alliance with Chisolm.

The only feedback I've heard from DaveyDee has been how we "copied" Richmond.  No communication acknowledging that my idea had merit, and definitely no follow up when the club made the announcement.

DaveyDee picks and chooses who/what they respond to.  It's rarely when there is a chance of a decent discussion, and they would much prefer to dismiss the views of others, take pot shots at the club, or just being a sarcastic poster that comes in and tries to flex their muscles by trying to convince us that they know best.

Under his alias Dr Who he blames the supporters negativity for the fact we haven't won a flag since 64. Never thinking that perhaps the lack of success bred the negativity, not the other way around. He's a troll and not a very good one.

3 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

I was unaware of this and was commenting to support his post and its stance, despite the invective that seems to arise from several sources. Thank you, 'The Chazz' for the further enlightenment but I stand on that support simply and unhindered. Carna Dees,

Thank-you for your input - a certain serenity has returned over the thread.

Despite the obvious abuse, insults & misquotes that arise from certain individuals - hopefully we can get back to Demonland offering some positive input into finding an alternative source of income - irrespective of the outcome of other revenue sources.  

Thank-you also for engaging with others who I don't see all their posts ( for obvious reasons ). I'm looking forward to being flooded with positive innovative ideas. Maybe Grapeviney can take it up on the podcasts - just a thought. 

Go Dees

From all the “noise” a few days ago now the ideas from Demonland are flowing in.

Go Dees

1 hour ago, DaveyDee said:

From all the “noise” a few days ago now the ideas from Demonland are flowing in.

Go Dees

I think we should invest in more pokie machines. They seem to be a pretty decent money spinner.

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think we should invest in more pokie machines. They seem to be a pretty decent money spinner.

This is the first positive comment you have made in the thread. Would not worry me if they bought more might be a buyers market a few other clubs are committed to get out. 

Importantly- Just not sure how the AFL would react - we might get 22 games a year in Darwin. Then hear the squealing. I also could not see our board & CEO approve it.  

Many of our supporters complain about the fixture, they complain ( hate ) the poker machines, they complain about our CEO & Board - really all they won’t to do is complain. 

Edited March 7, 20187 yr by DaveyDee

1 hour ago, DaveyDee said:

This is the first positive comment you have made in the thread. Would not worry me if they bought more might be a buyers market a few other clubs are committed to get out. 

Importantly- Just not sure how the AFL would react - we might get 22 games a year in Darwin. Then hear the squealing. I also could not see our board & CEO approve it.  

Many of our supporters complain about the fixture, they complain ( hate ) the poker machines, they complain about our CEO & Board - really all they won’t to do is complain. 

Oh my God. Dr Who wrote a serious response to that post!!

Do you understand the word humour Dr?

obviously not. 

Bought your 2018 Tigers Membership yet?

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Oh my God. Dr Who wrote a serious response to that post!!

Do you understand the word humour Dr?

obviously not. 

Bought your 2018 Tigers Membership yet?

jumped off the brown baggers pretty quickly though

16 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

jumped off the brown baggers pretty quickly though

Well that training regime must have let him down so badly.....

28 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Well that training regime must have let him down so badly.....

must have been the poor competitive analysis. some people never learn

On 05/03/2018 at 4:48 PM, Deemania since 56 said:

I would be interested to find out a little more about this educational link and how it operates, and what are its criteria and intent, more specifically. Was in the education game for 43 years with multiple links myself; Chisholm  was one of these. 

Without sighting the MOU, I'd imagine that Chisolm can now promote their Dip Sport Development/Dip Sport and Rec Management course to have an element of it delivered at the MFC.  By having access to top class facilities such as what an AFL club can offer, they (Chisolm) would be hoping for an increase in student enrolments.  They could also have access to the Casey facilities, given the course is offered at the Cranbourne campus.

In return for the MFC, for opening their doors to these students, I'd imagine there will be a financial incentive for the club.

With the course costing around $20k, we could charge something like $5,000 per student to learn in our facilities.  If we can build the program to get around 100 students per year enrolled (it's only a 12 month course), there's a potential $500k income stream for not doing a huge amount.

For Chisolm, linking with any AFL club will be a big selling point for students.  It's also something students wouldn't tend to walk away from depending on what club.  Just having the chance to work with any club is a big drawcard.

That's only rough guess of what could be the agreement.

43 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

Without sighting the MOU, I'd imagine that Chisolm can now promote their Dip Sport Development/Dip Sport and Rec Management course to have an element of it delivered at the MFC.  By having access to top class facilities such as what an AFL club can offer, they (Chisolm) would be hoping for an increase in student enrolments.  They could also have access to the Casey facilities, given the course is offered at the Cranbourne campus.

In return for the MFC, for opening their doors to these students, I'd imagine there will be a financial incentive for the club.

With the course costing around $20k, we could charge something like $5,000 per student to learn in our facilities.  If we can build the program to get around 100 students per year enrolled (it's only a 12 month course), there's a potential $500k income stream for not doing a huge amount.

For Chisolm, linking with any AFL club will be a big selling point for students.  It's also something students wouldn't tend to walk away from depending on what club.  Just having the chance to work with any club is a big drawcard.

That's only rough guess of what could be the agreement.

Well said, think you will also find there is an opportunity to do "joint" function/s ( not of the smoking type ) where we can attempt to get access to their AFL "undecided", "no club", overseas students, we capture them in their early years and encourage them to stay for the rest of their lives - as their income capacity increases hopefully we get an increased value of membership.  

Dont forget a membership number by itself is not that important - what is important is the revenue/profit raised thru memberships. 

 

 

21 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Well said, think you will also find there is an opportunity to do "joint" function/s ( not of the smoking type ) where we can attempt to get access to their AFL "undecided", "no club", overseas students, we capture them in their early years and encourage them to stay for the rest of their lives - as their income capacity increases hopefully we get an increased value of membership.  

Dont forget a membership number by itself is not that important - what is important is the revenue/profit raised thru memberships. 

 

 

Our alignment with Casey, and the work that we do in that region is where we are gunning for the "AFL undecided", et al, that you talked about.

Partnering with an education provider is more about what I said than what you said.  Yes, we will be happy to pick up a few extra members here and there, but the primary purpose of this partnership is to provide an additional generation of income.

 

4 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

Our alignment with Casey, and the work that we do in that region is where we are gunning for the "AFL undecided", et al, that you talked about.

Partnering with an education provider is more about what I said than what you said.  Yes, we will be happy to pick up a few extra members here and there, but the primary purpose of this partnership is to provide an additional generation of income.

 

I'm happy with that - any extra $$$$ at the moment is more than welcome

5 hours ago, The Chazz said:

Without sighting the MOU, I'd imagine that Chisolm can now promote their Dip Sport Development/Dip Sport and Rec Management course to have an element of it delivered at the MFC.  By having access to top class facilities such as what an AFL club can offer, they (Chisolm) would be hoping for an increase in student enrolments.  They could also have access to the Casey facilities, given the course is offered at the Cranbourne campus.

In return for the MFC, for opening their doors to these students, I'd imagine there will be a financial incentive for the club.

With the course costing around $20k, we could charge something like $5,000 per student to learn in our facilities.  If we can build the program to get around 100 students per year enrolled (it's only a 12 month course), there's a potential $500k income stream for not doing a huge amount.

For Chisolm, linking with any AFL club will be a big selling point for students.  It's also something students wouldn't tend to walk away from depending on what club.  Just having the chance to work with any club is a big drawcard.

That's only rough guess of what could be the agreement.

Thanks for this, Chazz . 

16 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Thanks for this, Chazz . 

Essendon & RMIT once you read thru the “spin” are making a straightforward play to increase their membership numbers via overseas students!!!!! With all due respect to The Chazz the idea is primarily designed to grow memberships and incomes anything else is a pure bonus

m.essendonfc.com.au/community/multicultural-programs/globall-program

1 minute ago, DaveyDee said:

Essendon & RMIT once you read thru the “spin” are making a straightforward play to increase their membership numbers via overseas students!!!!! With all due respect to The Chazz the idea is primarily designed to grow memberships and incomes anything else is a pure bonus

m.essendonfc.com.au/community/multicultural-programs/globall-program

Thanks for the info ... 

4 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Thanks for the info ... 

Not a problem, personally think it’s fair to say , I can see AFL clubs diversifying income streams and Educational Institutions are a great source of information & more importantly cheaper “graduate talent” 

3 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Essendon & RMIT once you read thru the “spin” are making a straightforward play to increase their membership numbers via overseas students!!!!! With all due respect to The Chazz the idea is primarily designed to grow memberships and incomes anything else is a pure bonus

m.essendonfc.com.au/community/multicultural-programs/globall-program

Only you would see it that way.

How many memberships would they need to sell to generate an additional $500k income p/a?

Edited March 8, 20187 yr by The Chazz

3 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Not a problem, personally think it’s fair to say , I can see AFL clubs diversifying income streams and Educational Institutions are a great source of information & more importantly cheaper “graduate talent” 

Ha, you continually prove you're a troll.  In this post, you say "you can see AFL clubs diversifying income streams and Educational Institutions are a great source..."

You have not once hinted in this thread that you feel this way.  I even planted the seed early in the thread that this was an avenue to tap in to.  Crickets from you.

Then, when it was announced about our partnership with Chisolm, you think we are "copying" Richmond.  No criticism of Essendon doing the same.  And also, you are supporting the Educational Institutes to generate income streams, yet criticise our club my club for copying when we do it!

Edited March 8, 20187 yr by The Chazz
Changed to "my club" as you clearly don't support the MFC

56 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

Ha, you continually prove you're a troll.  In this post, you say "you can see AFL clubs diversifying income streams and Educational Institutions are a great source..."

You have not once hinted in this thread that you feel this way.  I even planted the seed early in the thread that this was an avenue to tap in to.  Crickets from you.

Then, when it was announced about our partnership with Chisolm, you think we are "copying" Richmond.  No criticism of Essendon doing the same.  And also, you are supporting the Educational Institutes to generate income streams, yet criticise our club my club for copying when we do it!

Hahaha I was all over the Tigers deal a long long time ago and many other initiatives. As I said our relationship with Chisholm I have no problems with I have no problems with working with Australian Leading Educational Institutions - I do on a daily basis. 

However, I was hoping for innovative ideas  - but such is life copying others clubs and you repeating it is all fine from me. 

You continually prove many things to me but I will refraining from throwing insults - I’m actually glad I can put you back on ignore. 

Edited March 8, 20187 yr by DaveyDee

On 2017/11/23 at 9:39 PM, Macca said:

But a fake/pretend Demon?  It's just nonsensical. 

 

Wasn't Doctor Who engaged in some covert attempt to take over 'Ology at one stage when the owner was having health issues? From memory, he was going to put in a rule insisting we refrain from criticism of the club and we only could post positive content.

Or am I getting him mixed up with someone else?