On 15/02/2017 at 03:15, dieter said:

I thought you were up the river with Kurz and your tub of butter.

think biffo moved to marg a long time ago, diets

  On 15/02/2017 at 03:26, daisycutter said:

think biffo moved to marg a long time ago, diets

How did Kurz cope with that? It's not a natural substance, you know, even blow flies won't go near it...

  On 15/02/2017 at 03:15, dieter said:

I thought you were up the river with Kurz and your tub of butter.

I'm with the Godfather on this-Olive Oil is my chosen social lubricant.

  On 15/02/2017 at 03:31, dieter said:

How did Kurz cope with that? It's not a natural substance, you know, even blow flies won't go near it...

well it's not for eating, diets. btw neither is ice natural.  mortein will do the trick with blowies but unfortunately it too is not natural. co2 however is natural.  

diets, sweat, urine, excrement, dandruff, toenail clippings and infection are all natural. as are cockroaches, rats, lice, tapeworm, snake venom and broccolli. there are plenty of natural choices if you just look 

  On 15/02/2017 at 03:33, Biffen said:

I'm with the Godfather on this-Olive Oil is my chosen social lubricant.

Kurz/Marlon, Last mango In Paris, Butter...your memory is failing you

  On 15/02/2017 at 05:11, dieter said:

Kurz/Marlon, Last mango In Paris, Butter...your memory is failing you

No - the GF was an olive oil magnate if you read the novel.

  On 14/02/2017 at 21:00, ProDee said:

You lefties will have to stop those tears, although I'd be lying if I didn't admit they gave me immense satisfaction.

Slavery ?

That's a laugh.  It was the Democrats who kicked and screamed and opposed Lincoln all the way.  The Democrats are the party that wanted to retain slavery.

And no, the electoral college vote is a very good system.  Do some research before mouthing off.

Apparently this still needs to be debated. In the early 1960s, the conservative party of today were known as the Democrats and vice versa, but the party affiliations flipped, though the people remain the same. The passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was the catalyst to converting the Deep South from Democrats to the Republican Party. Pure ignorance.

As for the electoral college, it's a ridiculous system. Amazingly, I believe it should be the popular vote. That is democracy and the undebatable truest reflection of what the people want. You don't place a higher importance on certain individuals' votes. That's not democracy. 

Democracy is - "a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives". If certain votes count more than others, you can't have a "system of government by the whole population", you have a government elected by a section of the population. Where people live shouldn't matter.

And I'm sorry, but I don't believe GDP growth in urban areas is a good argument for keeping the college system. Every state has elected officials that should look out for the needs of their own constituency. If they fail this, that's the failure of those politicians, not the system. Whereas, the college system gives free shots to the South.

The Flynn story won't be going away in a hurry - and what better way to follow the exposé than through the investigative reporting of the Washington Post ...

Flynn departure erupts into a full-blown crisis for the Trump White House

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Current and former U.S. officials have said, however, that much of the conversation was about sanctions and that Flynn suggested that Moscow not respond in kind to the expulsions — advice that Russian President Vladi­mir Putin took in declining to take retaliatory action.

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After discussing the situation throughout the weekend at Trump’s Florida resort, a final decision was made Monday night by Trump, along with Priebus and senior advisers Bannon and Jared Kushner, to tell Flynn to resign, officials said.

That is a notably different version of events than the one offered Monday night, when administration officials characterized Flynn’s departure as voluntary.

The story probably dies if there can be no proven link from Trump to Flynn with regards to what was said to the Russians.  It's worth noting that Flynn may well be called upon to give details of what he said to the Russians and he won't want to leave anything out (or lie)

  On 15/02/2017 at 07:41, Biffen said:

No - the GF was an olive oil magnate if you read the novel.

Like the Sheiks of Saudi Arabia, or the Bush clan, ah. olive oil magnates. Like Popeye's girlfriend.

We live in a strange, confused world, Mr Twitter. Do you think it's the olive trees that have caused climate change then?

  On 15/02/2017 at 08:13, A F said:

Apparently this still needs to be debated. In the early 1960s, the conservative party of today were known as the Democrats and vice versa, but the party affiliations flipped, though the people remain the same. The passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was the catalyst to converting the Deep South from Democrats to the Republican Party. Pure ignorance.

As for the electoral college, it's a ridiculous system. Amazingly, I believe it should be the popular vote. That is democracy and the undebatable truest reflection of what the people want. You don't place a higher importance on certain individuals' votes. That's not democracy. 

Democracy is - "a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives". If certain votes count more than others, you can't have a "system of government by the whole population", you have a government elected by a section of the population. Where people live shouldn't matter.

And I'm sorry, but I don't believe GDP growth in urban areas is a good argument for keeping the college system. Every state has elected officials that should look out for the needs of their own constituency. If they fail this, that's the failure of those politicians, not the system. Whereas, the college system gives free shots to the South.

The parties switched platforms, but are still the same frigging parties !

You're a dill of the highest order, so it doesn't surprise me that you favour a popular vote.

Edited February 15, 20178 yr by ProDee

  On 15/02/2017 at 08:46, dieter said:

Like the Sheiks of Saudi Arabia, or the Bush clan, ah. olive oil magnates. Like Popeye's girlfriend.

We live in a strange, confused world, Mr Twitter. Do you think it's the olive trees that have caused climate change then?

The debate seems to be all hot air.

  On 15/02/2017 at 10:10, Biffen said:

The debate seems to be all hot air.

Just saying, as they say. It's a grand hypothesis, don't you think? Blame it all on the friggin olive trees planted in Australia recently, and the alpacas and the grape vines. It's certainly not car emissions, couldn't be, we've had cars since 1910.

I think we're onto something Twitter, we've solved the climate change debate. It's the olive oil magnates that have screwed us!!!

Having said that, you'll probably not agree because most Olive Oil Magnates aren't Muslims.

Edited February 15, 20178 yr by dieter

  On 15/02/2017 at 10:23, dieter said:

Just saying, as they say. It's a grand hypothesis, don't you think? Blame it all on the friggin olive trees planted in Australia recently, and the alpacas and the grape vines. It's certainly not car emissions, couldn't be, we've had cars since 1910.

I think we're onto something Twitter, we've solved the climate change debate. It's the olive oil magnates that have screwed us!!!

Having said that, you'll probably not agree because most Olive Oil Magnates aren't Muslims.

Feminism must share some of the blame.

  On 15/02/2017 at 10:27, Biffen said:

Feminism must share some of the blame.

I agree entirely. That's because most feminists are Turkish Muslims. I happen to know that for a fact.

  On 15/02/2017 at 07:41, Biffen said:

No - the GF was an olive oil magnate if you read the novel.

Sorry, misunderstood, didn't know Marlon had girlfriends...

 

  On 15/02/2017 at 11:02, dieter said:

I agree entirely. That's because most feminists are Turkish Muslims. I happen to know that for a fact.

It's true they have opinions.Mostly on housekeeping.

  On 15/02/2017 at 11:25, Biffen said:

It's true they have opinions.Mostly on housekeeping.

Let's face it, it's good to have an opinion in the kitchen based on, shall we say, traditional virtues? Where can traditional virtue be found these days? These days so-called feminists don't even know how to boil a spud, let alone plug in a toaster. As the preacher said in Ecclesiastes, all is vanity and a striving after wind. There is nothing new under the sun. In other words, feminists have been around since time inmanmorial.

  On 15/02/2017 at 08:52, ProDee said:

The parties switched platforms, but are still the same frigging partues !

You're a dill of the highest order, so it doesn't surprise me that you favour a popular vote.

Of course. Why would everyone's vote counting matter in a democracy?

You call the electoral college a "very good system", but provide no evidence to back that up. Almost as if your opinion is worth more than everyone else's and facts alone.

But that is the MO of the far right, as is descending into name calling, instead of trying to have a proper debate.

For a guy who is one of the most thoughtful footballing observers, you clearly have no time for it in your politics.

Edited February 15, 20178 yr by A F

  On 15/02/2017 at 12:09, A F said:

Of course. Why would everyone's vote counting matter in a democracy?

You call the electoral college a "very good system", but provide no evidence to back that up. Almost as if your opinion is worth more than everyone else's and facts alone.

But that is the MO of the far right, as is  descending into name calling, instead of trying to have a proper debate.

For a guy who is one of the most thoughtful footballing observers, you clearly have no time for it in your politics.

Like hypocrite?

You've embarrassed yourself enough.

  On 15/02/2017 at 12:09, A F said:

Of course. Why would everyone's vote counting matter in a democracy?

You call the electoral college a "very good system", but provide no evidence to back that up. Almost as if your opinion is worth more than everyone else's and facts alone.

But that is the MO of the far right, as is descending into name calling, instead of trying to have a proper debate.

For a guy who is one of the most thoughtful footballing observers, you clearly have no time for it in your politics.

I'm not going to waste too much time debating an hysterical far- left buffoon for two reasons.  It's an utter waste of time and Choke has already provided comprehensive reasons as to why the system works.  

Besides, what's the point of arguing over the system that was in place and won't be changing ?  Talk about an exercise in futility.

You rabid climate alarmists, border- free, safe-space, high taxing, lazy socialists can keep whining for the next 8 years.

  On 15/02/2017 at 12:09, A F said:

 

For a guy who is one of the most thoughtful footballing observers, you clearly have no time for it in your politics.

AF that might say more about you. You've indetified Prodee is a thoughtful person except when he has an opposing view to yours. Hmmmm

  On 16/02/2017 at 00:26, Wrecker45 said:

AF that might say more about you. You've indetified Prodee is a thoughtful person except when he has an opposing view to yours. Hmmmm

It's a very different space. Clearly. Because despite his willingness to call me names when it comes to politics, he and I more often than not agree when it comes to football.

  On 16/02/2017 at 00:34, A F said:

It's a very different space. Clearly. Because despite his willingness to call me names when it comes to politics, he and I more often than not agree when it comes to football.

So in your opion Prodee is thoughtfull when he agrees with you on football?

  On 16/02/2017 at 01:32, Wrecker45 said:

So in your opion Prodee is thoughtfull when he agrees with you on football?

No, I agree with PD when he talks football, because he is thoughtful. Shall I repeat it?