A Day at the Races

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

This was pretty close with Prague running 4th...113/1

Edited September 12, 2020 by Wadda We Sing

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Best Bets:

Flemington Race 2 No.3 Cherry Tortoni $5.50 (W)   3rd

Flemington Race 6 No.14 Windstorm $2.15 (W)   2nd

Flemington Race 7 No.9 Master of Wine $3.50 (P)   4th

Rosehill Race 8 No.8 Fasika $2.50 (W)  8th

Morphetville Race 9 No.14 Instant Celebrity $2.25 (W)  1st

 

Macca can you update the strike rate later.......

hope everyone had a good day.

[JV7 2,351]

Gee I needed Instant Celebrity... Got $2.60 early market Wednesday so will take that! Gutsy & impressive win, will be near favourite for the 1000 guineas

[Macca 16,970]

2 hours ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Best Bets:

Flemington Race 2 No.3 Cherry Tortoni $5.50 (W)   3rd

Flemington Race 6 No.14 Windstorm $2.15 (W)   2nd

Flemington Race 7 No.9 Master of Wine $3.50 (P)   4th

Rosehill Race 8 No.8 Fasika $2.50 (W)  8th

Morphetville Race 9 No.14 Instant Celebrity $2.25 (W)  1st

 

Macca can you update the strike rate later.......

hope everyone had a good day.

Lean pickings by the sounds of it today ... got a few late winners but a little down overall for the day.  We couldn't take a trick with our tips Wadda although JV came through with a winner in the last at Adelaide.

Still,  there is lots of group racing at Leopardstown (Ire) & Doncaster (UK) tonight so there's a chance for the recoup.

I'll post up a bit of a preview later on

Sha tin tomorrow as well ... the quaddie legs look enticing!

I'm not done with yet!

Edited September 12, 2020 by Macca

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31 minutes ago, Macca said:

Lean pickings by the sounds of it today ... got a few late winners but a little down overall for the day.  We couldn't take a trick with our tips Wadda although JV came through with a winner in the last at Adelaide.

Still,  there is lots of group racing at Leopardstown (Ire) & Doncaster (UK) tonight so there's a chance for the rrecoup.

I'll post up a preview later on

Sha tin tomorrow as well ... the quaddie legs look enticing!

I'm not done with yet!

Good to hear Macca, go get em ! Yes some very close results but we were mostly thereabouts. We will get better as we get deeper into Spring i think and some horses get some runs under their belts.

Theres a couple of Night of Thunders running tonight:

 

Musselburgh, UK Race 2 No 6 Risk of Thunder

Doncaster, UK Race 4 No 7 Molatham

Go Dees...

Edited September 12, 2020 by Wadda We Sing

[Macca 16,970]

Some good betting races to look out for tonight & tomorrow ... mostly G1 & G2 racing tonight whilst tomorrow the highlighted races from Sha Tin are C2 & C3 ($390k/$265k)

Doncaster (UK) 3.00pm & 3.35pm (add 9 hours for AEST)

The Curragh (Ire) 2.00pm,  3.10pm,  3.40pm,  4.10pm,  4.45pm & 5.15pm (add 9 hours for AEST)

Sha Tin (Sunday) Races 7,  8,  9 & 10

[Biffen 12,943]

I had a real COAD.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

5 hours ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Good to hear Macca, go get em ! Yes some very close results but we were mostly thereabouts. We will get better as we get deeper into Spring i think and some horses get some runs under their belts.

Theres a couple of Night of Thunders running tonight:

 

Musselburgh, UK Race 2 No 6 Risk of Thunder

Doncaster, UK Race 4 No 7 Molatham

Go Dees...

.....both ran 3rd...oh well.

[Gorgoroth 12,954]

Mine was the same Biff

[JV7 2,351]

Also had a shocker yesterday...

My mates mate go the quqddie... 100% = $20k! Not a bad day at the office ?

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

2 hours ago, JV7 said:

Also had a shocker yesterday...

My mates mate go the quqddie... 100% = $20k! Not a bad day at the office ?

Well done to your mate. Tell him to post his quaddies here for the rest of the Spring.

Im still getting over the FF on the Makybe Diva. Russian C/Fierce Impact & Master of Wine were your first 3 picks in any event. Just had to throw in So Si Bon for 3K.

Always the bigger pools form now on continually throw these dividends up.

[Macca 16,970]

12 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Well done to your mate. Tell him to post his quaddies here for the rest of the Spring.

Im still getting over the FF on the Makybe Diva. Russian C/Fierce Impact & Master of Wine were your first 3 picks in any event. Just had to throw in So Si Bon for 3K.

Always the bigger pools form now on continually throw these dividends up.

Yeah and I looked at So Si Bon but threw in Warning for real value.  Punters Lanent!  They came home for the last 600 in 00:33.29 and So Si Bon was travelling as well as any of the others.

I will be (repeat, will be!) including So Si Bon in the exotics for length of its career!  It us such a much improved honest horse but is just shy of G1 class.  And the depth of our G1 milers isn't that strong either.

Bit like Tom Melbourne ... I got a number of exotic collects with good old Tom included.  Lesson learned the 2nd time around.

And you're right about the bigger pools and that is related to the depth of quality.  In similar 16 horse fields at least 2/3rds of the field can often be dismissed but not in a race like yesterday's Makybe Diva Stakes. 

Bank the top 3 as you mentioned Wadda but come up with 3 or 4 other roughies.  A 3/7/7/7 combo costs the same as a box 6.  In a WFA G1 one should be able to come up with the winner with 3 choices.

Worth persevering with from a personal point of view.

Anyway,  no luck overnight (but lots of placings!) so it's Sha Tin here we come.  Just a few small one-out doubles and a treble or 2.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

On 9/13/2020 at 12:26 PM, Macca said:

Yeah and I looked at So Si Bon but threw in Warning for real value.  Punters Lanent!  They came home for the last 600 in 00:33.29 and So Si Bon was travelling as well as any of the others.

I will be (repeat, will be!) including So Si Bon in the exotics for length of its career!  It us such a much improved honest horse but is just shy of G1 class.  And the depth of our G1 milers isn't that strong either.

Bit like Tom Melbourne ... I got a number of exotic collects with good old Tom included.  Lesson learned the 2nd time around.

And you're right about the bigger pools and that is related to the depth of quality.  In similar 16 horse fields at least 2/3rds of the field can often be dismissed but not in a race like yesterday's Makybe Diva Stakes. 

Bank the top 3 as you mentioned Wadda but come up with 3 or 4 other roughies.  A 3/7/7/7 combo costs the same as a box 6.  In a WFA G1 one should be able to come up with the winner with 3 choices.

Worth persevering with from a personal point of view.

Anyway,  no luck overnight (but lots of placings!) so it's Sha Tin here we come.  Just a few small one-out doubles and a treble or 2.

Well now there is an idea.

I think we should do every week what you have started here, as an addition to the BBs.

Think we need something to spice things up, especially with all the big days coming up and we can stop after Emirates Day.

Just do it like you did it last week, select a race and everyone can throw in a pick or two....If there is a BB selection in the race thats fine, it doesnt undermine that. FF can pay 200K+. I generally dont bother with them as a rule, but that result last week has changed my mind.

[Macca 16,970]

57 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Well now there is an idea.

I think we should do every week what you have started here, as an addition to the BBs.

Think we need something to spice things up, especially with all the big days coming up and we can stop after Emirates Day.

Just do it like you did it last week, select a race and everyone can throw in a pick or two....If there is a BB selection in the race thats fine, it doesnt undermine that. FF can pay 200K+. I generally dont bother with them as a rule, but that result last week has changed my mind.

We tried a 5 pick trifecta way back but it didn't take off.  But all we needed last weekend was for someone to nominate So Si Bon and we win (or whoever places a bet wins) ... and without boxing the 6 either as we had the winner outright (Fierce Impact - 3 noms) with any 2 others to win (if a multiple exotic instead of boxing suits)

But I agree ... get 6 nominated horses and then do whatever you like with them.  Not having a bet using the 6 is an option too.  Nothing is compulsory. 

I reckon we stick to the Group 1 races ... Caul Cup,  Everest,  Melb Cup,  Cox Plate,  Derby,  Oaks. 

For instance,  next weekend we've got the Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes (1400m) or the George Main (1600m) up at Randwick.  Small field in the George Main so probably the Rupert Clarke(?)  Showmanship gets in at 54.5 kgs but might end up with a sticky barrier around the Heath

Edited September 14, 2020 by Macca

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3 hours ago, Macca said:

We tried a 5 pick trifecta way back but it didn't take off.  But all we needed last weekend was for someone to nominate So Si Bon and we win (or whoever places a bet wins) ... and without boxing the 6 either as we had the winner outright (Fierce Impact - 3 noms) with any 2 others to win (if a multiple exotic instead of boxing suits)

But I agree ... get 6 nominated horses and then do whatever you like with them.  Not having a bet using the 6 is an option too.  Nothing is compulsory. 

I reckon we stick to the Group 1 races ... Caul Cup,  Everest,  Melb Cup,  Cox Plate,  Derby,  Oaks. 

For instance,  next weekend we've got the Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes (1400m) or the George Main (1600m) up at Randwick.  Small field in the George Main so probably the Rupert Clarke(?)  Showmanship gets in at 54.5 kgs but might end up with a sticky barrier around the Heath

Well i reckon you really need to look at the races. We need fields between 12 & 18 to get reasonable odds and have a reasonable chance of getting it. Makybe Diva stakes was a 16 horse field. Perfect. Big races with 24 horse fields are very hard i think with 6 picks. But yeah, preferably Grp1

If we have 6 players, then a pick each will suffice. Individuals you can throw in some others for their own bets or bet how you feel i guess. Encourage different selections or we will have to make them up if players are away or dont put a selection in. Just play with whoever is around on the day. Pretty much the way you did it was good i thought anyway.

We can do it on the day i reckon, after scratchings are out.

Maybe nominate the race during the week.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Wadda We Sing

[Macca 16,970]

28 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Well i reckon you really need to look at the races. We need fields between 12 & 18 to get reasonable odds and have a reasonable chance of getting it. Makybe Diva stakes was a 16 horse field. Perfect. Big races with 24 horse fields are very hard i think with 6 picks. But yeah, preferably Grp1

If we have 6 players, then a pick each will suffice. Individuals you can throw in some others for their own bets or bet how you feel i guess. Encourage different selections or we will have to make them up if players are away or dont put a selection in. Just play with whoever is around on the day. Pretty much the way you did it was good i thought anyway.

We can do it on the day i reckon, after scratchings are out.

Maybe nominate the race during the week.

It might be as simple as nominating a horse in the nominated race when putting up one's best bet.  Do it at the same time.  We'd probably have all the choices in by Friday evening and if we're 1 or 2 picks short 1 or 2 of us can have a 2nd choice on a rotating basis.

The fields are out on a Wednesday so we could nominate the race on that day.  If the race is a G1 race it will stand out anyway.

The standout G1 race gets everyone's attention anyway and a lot of the G1's have around 16 - 18 entrants.  The Melb Cup has 24 but just imagine if we snagged that one!?

Cox Plate field can be a bit skinny but even the Everest field of 12 is ok considering nearly every horse entered in that race can win it.

Just had a squiz at last years Rupert Clarke and there were 14 runners and the F4 paid $5773

Begood Toya Mother (2-1 Fav)

Age of Chivalry

Widgee Turf

Streets of Avalon

All decent performers hey Wadda!  (So Si Bon ran 5th so we could have landed a F5 if it existed!)

 

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47 minutes ago, Macca said:

It might be as simple as nominating a horse in the nominated race when putting up one's best bet.  Do it at the same time.  We'd probably have all the choices in by Friday evening and if we're 1 or 2 picks short 1 or 2 of us can have a 2nd choice on a rotating basis.

The fields are out on a Wednesday so we could nominate the race on that day.  If the race is a G1 race it will stand out anyway.

The standout G1 race gets everyone's attention anyway and a lot of the G1's have around 16 - 18 entrants.  The Melb Cup has 24 but just imagine if we snagged that one!?

Cox Plate field can be a bit skinny but even the Everest field of 12 is ok considering nearly every horse entered in that race can win it.

Just had a squiz at last years Rupert Clarke and there were 14 runners and the F4 paid $5773

Begood Toya Mother (2-1 Fav)

Age of Chivalry

Widgee Turf

Streets of Avalon

All decent performers hey Wadda!  (So Si Bon ran 5th so we could have landed a F5 if it existed!)

 

Thats good research. Thats what we want right there. 

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

I think Saturday morning is better, it will get confusing otherwise. People seem now to be chatting about races on the day a bit more, which is good. 

But whatever...

 

[Macca 16,970]

1 hour ago, Wadda We Sing said:

I think Saturday morning is better, it will get confusing otherwise. People seem now to be chatting about races on the day a bit more, which is good.

The trouble with collating an exotic on a Saturday is that you need everyone here for 4 or 5 hours and it could be a mad scramble.  You have to allow lag time and it's a bit of an imposition for punters here who may be otherwise involved in something else.

For instance,  I work every Saturday and only tune into the thread when I've got time (which is rare)  Others can have the same issue.  My main interest in the racing is in the lead up days.

e.g.  Rolling Fog's tips came in too late to be included in the multi last week.  No one's fault either,  he explained that he couldn't have done it any earlier.  So that's 2 people potentially out already.

It's just the circumstances of how things work (or don't work) We've had previous issues here waiting on a Best Bet on a Saturday.

You could try it on a Saturday Wadda but I doubt whether it would work.  The window is too tight.  You're going to be chasing people up left right & centre.  Myself included.

And what about when people are out and about post the restrictions?  Right now,  many people are stuck inside but that's going to change. 

Down the track there might only be 1 or 2 people here on a Saturday.  Esp if the Demons are playing on a Sat arvo ... for instance, we play Essendon next Sat at 2.10pm. 

I favour kicking the whole thing off on a Wednesday as the best bets are.  Gives us lots of lead up time - problem solved in advance.

Finalising an exotic bet on a Saturday makes more sense.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Macca

[Macca 16,970]

Showmanship out for the Spring with a tendon injury.  Hopefully back in the Autumn.  Such a shame as the horse was looking a real force for the Spring.

Behemoth now favourite for the G1 Rupert Clarke Stakes ($3.50) but after that there are any number of chances. 

Dare I say it,  a good betting race! 

6-1 up to 15-1 ... Buffalo River,  Perfect Jewel,  Tagaloa,  I Am Superman,  Superstorm,  Age of Chivalry,  Cascadian & Begood Toya Mother are all not without chances. 

Some great value amongst the roughies too (that'll suit Biff)

25-1 up to 33-1 Reykjavik,  Harbour Views,  The Inevitable,  Heptagon,  Blazejowski

Not a bad choice for a F4 team exotic (hint hint)

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Macca

[Gorgoroth 12,954]

Bah, had Behemoth at $5.50 other day and I was going to back it then, bugger.

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19 hours ago, Macca said:

Showmanship out for the Spring with a tendon injury.  Hopefully back in the Autumn.  Such a shame as the horse was looking a real force for the Spring.

Behemoth now favourite for the G1 Rupert Clarke Stakes ($3.50) but after that there are any number of chances. 

Dare I say it,  a good betting race! 

6-1 up to 15-1 ... Buffalo River,  Perfect Jewel,  Tagaloa,  I Am Superman,  Superstorm,  Age of Chivalry,  Cascadian & Begood Toya Mother are all not without chances. 

Some great value amongst the roughies too (that'll suit Biff)

25-1 up to 33-1 Reykjavik,  Harbour Views,  The Inevitable,  Heptagon,  Blazejowski

Not a bad choice for a F4 team exotic (hint hint)

 

 

Yep thats the best race easily for a FF and stand out Bohemoth is probably the bet of the day anyway. Although Caulfield throws up some wobblies.....

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On 9/14/2020 at 11:58 PM, Macca said:

The trouble with collating an exotic on a Saturday is that you need everyone here for 4 or 5 hours and it could be a mad scramble.  You have to allow lag time and it's a bit of an imposition for punters here who may be otherwise involved in something else.

For instance,  I work every Saturday and only tune into the thread when I've got time (which is rare)  Others can have the same issue.  My main interest in the racing is in the lead up days.

e.g.  Rolling Fog's tips came in too late to be included in the multi last week.  No one's fault either,  he explained that he couldn't have done it any earlier.  So that's 2 people potentially out already.

It's just the circumstances of how things work (or don't work) We've had previous issues here waiting on a Best Bet on a Saturday.

You could try it on a Saturday Wadda but I doubt whether it would work.  The window is too tight.  You're going to be chasing people up left right & centre.  Myself included.

And what about when people are out and about post the restrictions?  Right now,  many people are stuck inside but that's going to change. 

Down the track there might only be 1 or 2 people here on a Saturday.  Esp if the Demons are playing on a Sat arvo ... for instance, we play Essendon next Sat at 2.10pm. 

I favour kicking the whole thing off on a Wednesday as the best bets are.  Gives us lots of lead up time - problem solved in advance.

Finalising an exotic bet on a Saturday makes more sense.

Yep no problem. I was thinking more about getting a bit of banter happening on a Saturday, seeing as how a few people are posting now. A group bet is a good thing to organize for that.

[Macca 16,970]

No worries Wadda

I reckon the banter is great on race day ... terrific reading for those who read it later.  And lets face it,  it can become a bit of a free-for-all with tips aplenty (which is also terrific)

But for an organised group bet we need to start as early as possible.  For instance,  JV7,  Gorg, myself & DZ like to get in early.  And yourself as well on occasions.  So we'll have it all covered early if I'm reading the tea leaves right.  Those who come in late run the risk of missing out. 

After 11.00am Saturday as a cut off time(?) Just a thought

I also appreciate the work you do in collating all the best bets.  Kudos.

I'll post up some replays & preview later on ... as usual,  flat chat at work!

Edited September 16, 2020 by Macca

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 hour ago, Macca said:

No worries Wadda

I reckon the banter is great on race day ... terrific reading for those who read it later.  And lets face it,  it can become a bit of a free-for-all with tips aplenty (which is also terrific)

But for an organised group bet we need to start as early as possible.  For instance,  JV7,  Gorg, myself & DZ like to get in early.  And yourself as well on occasions.  So we'll have it all covered early if I'm reading the tea leaves right.  Those who come in late run the risk of missing out. 

After 11.00am Saturday as a cut off time(?) Just a thought

I also appreciate the work you do in collating all the best bets.  Kudos.

I'll post up some replays & preview later on ... as usual,  flat chat at work!

My only thing with that is there are normally 3 or 4 emergencies in these types of races and usually a few scratchings so probably doesnt get finalized till Sat morning anyway if long shots are selected for places.

If you want to run with 3/7/7/7 for example or 1/9/9/9 then ppl might need to nominate more than 1 horse.