On 26/05/2018 at 05:20, binman said:

Close. Box up our horses and again we would have snagged the first four

Thats 2 weeks in a row youve picked the winner with your plc bets.......better promote you back up the order.

  On 26/05/2018 at 04:57, Macca said:

Too late for me

Perhaps we had better make a cut-off time Macca?  People often have to do things on a Sat arvo.

What about 12pm Sat in future?

  On 26/05/2018 at 05:32, Wadda We Sing said:

Perhaps we had better make a cut-off time Macca?  People often have to do things on a Sat arvo.

What about 12pm Sat in future?

Even 12pm is cutting it fine ... I often work on a Saturday and I often don't have time to access the internet.  Others would have similar issues including those who only read the thread but might like our tips.

The earlier the better works ... 12pm can easily become 1pm or 2pm.

  On 26/05/2018 at 05:39, Macca said:

Even 12pm is cutting it fine ... I often work on a Saturday and I often don't have time to access the internet.  Others would have similar issues including those who only read the thread but might like our tips.

The earlier the better works ... 12pm can easily become 1pm or 2pm.

Ok. But i some also like to get the form done on a Sat morn. Maybe trifectas by Friday night and Best bets by 11am Sat?

Edited May 26, 20186 yr by Wadda We Sing

  On 26/05/2018 at 05:53, Wadda We Sing said:

Ok. But i some also like to get the form done on a Sat morn. Maybe trifectas by Friday night and Best bets by 11am Sat?

I just reckon the earlier the better Wadda ... having time constraints on the internet is tricky at the best of times. 

We'll see how we go next week ... I've got my own back up plan as you've seen above. 

Ended up getting the first4 anyway so I might be better off flying solo!! ?

The Le Romain/Impending quinella was paying 9-2 ... and it was jumping out at us too.

And the trifecta paid ok all things considered.  a win is a win.  The First4 the same ... 2-4-6-6 worked again. 

I reckon I have finally found a system that can work.

  On 26/05/2018 at 06:13, Macca said:

I just reckon the earlier the better Wadda ... having time constraints on the internet is tricky at the best of times. 

We'll see how we go next week ... I've got my own back up plan as you've seen above. 

Ended up getting the first4 anyway so I might be better off flying solo!! ?

Yes i agree the earlier the better. The only thing with Sat morning is we get the scratchings which i think can cause chaos with trifectas

  On 26/05/2018 at 01:15, Wadda We Sing said:

Ok sorry about the late pick, but i wanted to cover all bases. Its a 2 horse race between Andaz and Fifty Stars. Andaz is the better value and the quinella may in fact be the better bet. Good luck fellas.

Best Bets:

Doomben Race 5 No.3 Zousain $3.10

Randwick Race 6  No.3  Live and Free  $2.50

Sandown Race 9 No. Andaz $5.50

$42.62 for your dollar.

Well we got a 1st and two  2nds. Well done Macca. We still do ok really.

I must say i wanted to make that quinella with Andaz and Fifty Stars my Best Bet because i couldnt split them and there was nothing else in the race. Paid $5.50 I wasnt sure if that was flaunting the rules?! Easy to say in hindsight tho and PL big time. Well i took it anyway.

Andaz is a Black Booker. Will win its next race.

 

Edited May 26, 20186 yr by Wadda We Sing

Interesting days racing ... have only watched the replays but the controversy with the track conditions at Doomben spoiled things a bit.  The highlights being the classic finishes in the Kingsford-Smith & the Qld Oaks.  Youngstar looks a horse of the future whilst Impending & Le Romain are 2 very classy racehorses. 

And the 'A Day at the Races' crew landed a trifecta at last (albeit not a big one)

Moving on ... with the big overseas races I tend to go each-way on a horse in the Group 1's ... the pools for the exotics are way too small but each-way is an option for some value runners.  However,  I often tune in just to watch the best go around. 

Might have a go at a 2-4-6-6  First4 in the Sha Tin Vase though.  Small field but some quite familiar horses are in the race.  

Also,  I like Gustav Klimt each-way in 2000 Guineas,  Soliloquy each-way in 1000 Guineas and Pakistan Star/Exultant in an exacta in the Chater Cup at Sha Tin. 

Tonight

The Curragh - Irish 2000 Guineas  1600m  $620k  Group 1  1.10am

Sunday

Sha Tin - The Sha Tin Vase 1200m  $500k  Group 3 4.00pm

Sha Tin - Standard Chartered Chater Cup  2400m  $2Million  Group 1  6.05pm

Sunday Night/Monday Morning

The Curragh - Irish Gold Cup  2100m  $470k  Group 1  11.25pm

The Curragh - Irish 1000 Guineas  1600m  $620k  Group 1  1.10am

Trifecta Strike Rate

2 from 7  < $48.90 >

Best Bet Strike Rate

55:  26 - 13 - 2

Australian Group and Listed Races

Just a heads up for next week whilst I'm here ... there are no G1 races next weekend but there are a few races that should be good betting races and thus,  might suit our trifecta/first4 combinations. 

Specifically ...

• PJ O'Shea Stakes (former winners - Tulloch,  Baghdad Note,  Rough Habit)
• QTC Cup (formers winners - Schillaci,  Hareeba)
• Belmont Stakes (recent WA performers 'Pounamu' and/or 'Art Series' may be running in this event)

 

 

Edited May 26, 20186 yr by Macca

  On 26/05/2018 at 06:51, Wadda We Sing said:

Well we got a 1st and two  2nds. Well done Macca. We still do ok really.

I must say i wanted to make that quinella with Andaz and Fifty Stars my Best Bet because i couldnt split them and there was nothing else in the race. Paid $5.50 I wasnt sure if that was flaunting the rules?! Easy to say in hindsight tho and PL big time. Well i took it anyway.

Andaz is a Black Booker. Will win its next race.

 

I reckon anything goes with a best bet Wadda ... whatever takes your fancy. 

For instance ... sometimes an each-way chance jumps out at you.  You just know that each-way chance is going to get into the finish but it may not win. 

Ultimately we have the choice of sorting it all out as individuals to suit our betting strategy. 

I'm swinging over to 2-4-6-6 First4's in smaller fields in sprint races just because that suits my style.  And so far, it's working.

So,  in essence,  I play around with our trifecta picks and always have a back-up plan if the tips come in late. 

I like both the best bet and trifecta/first4 systems we have going.  It's always good to get input from elsewhere. 

Merchant Navy wins a G2 level sprint at the Curragh (first up) for Aiden O'Brien

Very impressive - watch here

Royal Ascot in mid June next up for the 3yo colt.

 

 

 

Edited May 26, 20186 yr by Macca

Here are the replays of the Group 1's from the weekend (the links once clicked on take you to yourube) ...

Kingsford-Smith Cup  1350m

Queensland Oaks  2200m

 

 

@Dee Zephyr  @Wadda We Sing  @binman 

Picked out 3 possible trifecta races for Saturday ... take a look at your leisure fellas.

'Pounamu' is back after one trial and is up against a few decent types in the Belmont Sprint (Ascot WA)  Drawn the outside alley too - which could easily suit considering how the horse likes to swoop late. 

I've marked the Belmont Sprint on top because the Sunshine Coast is currently rated as a Heavy10 and also,  I'm biased towards the Pounamu Race! ?

It's also worth noting that we've had success with the trifecta twice - once over the 1400m and the other over 1350m. 

Ascot  Belmont Sprint  1400m  Group 3  150k

Sunshine Coast  PJ O'Shea Stakes  2200m  Group 2  200k

Sunshine Coast  Moreton Cup  1200m  Group 2  175K

                 

  On 30/05/2018 at 09:24, Macca said:

@Dee Zephyr  @Wadda We Sing  @binman 

Picked out 3 possible trifecta races for Saturday ... take a look at your leisure fellas.

'Pounamu' is back after one trial and is up against a few decent types in the Belmont Sprint (Ascot WA)  Drawn the outside alley too - which could easily suit considering how the horse likes to swoop late. 

I've marked the Belmont Sprint on top because the Sunshine Coast is currently rated as a Heavy10 and also,  I'm biased towards the Pounamu Race! ?

It's also worth noting that we've had success with the trifecta twice - once over the 1400m and the other over 1350m. 

Ascot  Belmont Sprint  1400m  Group 3  150k

Sunshine Coast  PJ O'Shea Stakes  2200m  Group 2  200k

Sunshine Coast  Moreton Cup  1200m  Group 2  175K

                 

G’day Macca. Like the Village People and Pet Shop Boys.....

” Go West” for me.

  On 30/05/2018 at 23:04, Dee Zephyr said:

G’day Macca. Like the Village People and Pet Shop Boys.....

” Go West” for me.

In all seriousness the Belmont Sprint is the pick of the 3 races anyway ... it's a good betting race in terms of there being 3 or 4 genuine chances to win whilst another 3 or 4 could get into the placegetters or the First4. 

Plus,  the race is on a couple of hours after the footy so it won't serve as a distraction and it could be a win/win/win for us (Demons win and we land the trifecta and the First4)

No prizes for guessing which horse I'm going to nominate either ?

Anyway,  we'll wait for a bit to see what BM & Wadda want to lean towards. 

  On 31/05/2018 at 09:29, Macca said:

In all seriousness the Belmont Sprint is the pick of the 3 races anyway ... it's a good betting race in terms of there being 3 or 4 genuine chances to win whilst another 3 or 4 could get into the placegetters or the First4. 

Plus,  the race is on a couple of hours after the footy so it won't serve as a distraction and it could be a win/win/win for us (Demons win and we land the trifecta and the First4)

No prizes for guessing which horse I'm going to nominate either ?

Anyway,  we'll wait for a bit to see what BM & Wadda want to lean towards. 

Hey ho, count me in. Yep im fine with Belmont. We already know who Macca is going to pick so ill have a look and report back.

 

  On 31/05/2018 at 09:29, Macca said:

In all seriousness the Belmont Sprint is the pick of the 3 races anyway ... it's a good betting race in terms of there being 3 or 4 genuine chances to win whilst another 3 or 4 could get into the placegetters or the First4. 

Plus,  the race is on a couple of hours after the footy so it won't serve as a distraction and it could be a win/win/win for us (Demons win and we land the trifecta and the First4)

No prizes for guessing which horse I'm going to nominate either ?

Anyway,  we'll wait for a bit to see what BM & Wadda want to lean towards. 

Haven't looked at the races but my preference would always be Ascot. As i have said before i'm wary of races held at tracks like Sunshine Coast. Ascot on the other hand is fair track that is always in great shape and all horses have their chance - even if they have not raced there before or often. Plus Darren Mcaulley is the best race caller in the county in my humble

It's settled then ...

Ascot  Race 7  Belmont Sprint  1400m  Group 3  150k  Sat  6.15pm

• W/2/3  ????????
• W/2/3  ????????
• W/2/3  Pounamu
• 2/3       ????????
• 2/3       ????????

I've put in my tip so it's over to @Dee Zephyr  to lead things off then @Wadda We Sing  then @binman  to finish things off with a couple of placegetters. 

Good luck Gentlemen!

  On 31/05/2018 at 09:47, Macca said:

It's settled then ...

Ascot  Race 7  Belmont Sprint  1400m  Group 3  150k  Sat  6.15pm

• W/2/3  ????????
• W/2/3  ????????
• W/2/3  Pounamu
• 2/3       ????????
• 2/3       ????????

I've put in my tip so it's over to @Dee Zephyr  to lead things off then @Wadda We Sing  then @binman  to finish things off with a couple of placegetters. 

Good luck Gentlemen!

Lets hope my placegetters don't win again

  On 31/05/2018 at 09:47, Macca said:

It's settled then ...

Ascot  Race 7  Belmont Sprint  1400m  Group 3  150k  Sat  6.15pm

• W/2/3  ????????
• W/2/3  ????????
• W/2/3  Pounamu
• 2/3       ????????
• 2/3       ????????

I've put in my tip so it's over to @Dee Zephyr  to lead things off then @Wadda We Sing  then @binman  to finish things off with a couple of placegetters. 

Good luck Gentlemen!

By the by Macca i really like racenets form guide lay out. To be honest i don't like doing form online, partly out of habit t i suspect but key reason is i like to mark the form with a highlighter as i do it (things that appeal, horse i select) then mark the horses at the ned of the process i have selected in each race. Another big factor is i do my form on the train often (or out and about) and using the phone is pretty hopeless

I find each online form has its strengths but each misses something, for example official ratings - so i often look at multiple sites. I like racing.com's form, but they only have vic races. Punters.com is probably the best i have seen (and actully really good on the phone) till now but race.net is better. 

  On 31/05/2018 at 10:09, binman said:

By the by Macca i really like racenets form guide lay out. To be honest i don't like doing form online, partly out of habit t i suspect but key reason is i like to mark the form with a highlighter as i do it (things that appeal, horse i select) then mark the horses at the ned of the process i have selected in each race. Another big factor is i do my form on the train often (or out and about) and using the phone is pretty hopeless

I find each online form has its strengths but each misses something, for example official ratings - so i often look at multiple sites. I like racing.com's form, but they only have vic races. Punters.com is probably the best i have seen (and actully really good on the phone) till now but race.net is better. 

Is that why you prefer Sat mornings so you can get the latest form guide in the paper?

  On 31/05/2018 at 10:01, binman said:

Lets hope my placegetters don't win again

Ha!  I play around with our picks in terms of maybe boxing the 5 in a trifecta and settling on a 33% - 50% payout and adding a horse of my own in a 2-4-6-6 First4 ($20 outlay delivers 30% - boosted)

But it depends on what horses we nominate and the depth of the winning chances .... I reckon the 3 - 5 - 5 is a good base to work from especially with the input from the 4 of us. 

  On 31/05/2018 at 09:47, Macca said:

It's settled then ...

Ascot  Race 7  Belmont Sprint  1400m  Group 3  150k  Sat  6.15pm

• W/2/3  ????????
• W/2/3  ????????
• W/2/3  Pounamu
• 2/3       ????????
• 2/3       ????????

I've put in my tip so it's over to @Dee Zephyr  to lead things off then @Wadda We Sing  then @binman  to finish things off with a couple of placegetters. 

Good luck Gentlemen!

 Battle Hero (4)  for me fellas. 

Edited May 31, 20186 yr by Dee Zephyr

  On 31/05/2018 at 10:38, Dee Zephyr said:

 Battle Hero (4)  for me fellas. 

7. Falcon Crest for me. Horse is in form, W Pike on board, it will do something.

Edited May 31, 20186 yr by Wadda We Sing