MFC Training 6th April

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3 minutes ago, nutbean said:

I am very torn on Dawes. To me he offers leadership, structure, bringing the ball to ground, opening up the way for the crumbers, really good at the 1%'s but his core business is to take marks and kick goals and he has not done that at all well. You rarely saw him last year get in the way of Hogan  - to the contrary  - he led outwards to make space for Hogan. As a forward you need to do all the little things that he does well but you also take a mark and kick a goal and he does not get a pass mark based on the most basic of criteria.

As limited as he is, I think he is the best presence we've got so far as a leader up forward and as a support for Hogan.

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7 minutes ago, nutbean said:

I noticed that in the first two games that Hogans stutter approach to goal was not as pronounced as it was during NAB.

This is what I think of when I watch Jesse run in for a shot on goal.

Jesse Hogan runup

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Dawes was trying to do everything at training on Wednesday. He really competed. As time wore on though, he did seem underdone. I think what we have been missing is a 'fit' Dawes. He has been restricted for a long time with that calf injury. I don't think he is fully fit yet, and I agree with the coaching panel, he needs to be as close to 100% as possible before we bring him back. Still three weeks off if all goes well!

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1 hour ago, nutbean said:

I am very torn on Dawes. To me he offers leadership, structure, bringing the ball to ground, opening up the way for the crumbers, really good at the 1%'s but his core business is to take marks and kick goals and he has not done that at all well. You rarely saw him last year get in the way of Hogan  - to the contrary  - he led outwards to make space for Hogan. As a forward you need to do all the little things that he does well but you also take a mark and kick a goal and he does not get a pass mark based on the most basic of criteria.

To me, it is not how many marks Dawes takes it is the other things he offers the team that haven't been acknowledged by most MFC supporters. Hogan needs Dawes out there to play his role which includes taking marks but acting as a decoy, playing with the passion that we have seen in the past but I think more importantly giving leadership to JH at a time when he needs on field direction - whether this is advising on leading options or just a pat on the backside. To me Watts doesn't command this respect from JH (Jack is liked by everyone but liking and respecting are so different) whereas Dawsey's on field presence would immediately impact on JH state of mind. Dawes is not only academically intelligent but he also has the football and people smarts that good football leaders need.  JH will be a far better forward with Dawes back on field.

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1 hour ago, Ted Fidge said:

This is what I think of when I watch Jesse run in for a shot on goal.

Jesse Hogan runup

love it. Made me laugh after last Saturday

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24 minutes ago, longsuffering said:

To me, it is not how many marks Dawes takes it is the other things he offers the team that haven't been acknowledged by most MFC supporters. Hogan needs Dawes out there to play his role which includes taking marks but acting as a decoy, playing with the passion that we have seen in the past but I think more importantly giving leadership to JH at a time when he needs on field direction - whether this is advising on leading options or just a pat on the backside. To me Watts doesn't command this respect from JH (Jack is liked by everyone but liking and respecting are so different) whereas Dawsey's on field presence would immediately impact on JH state of mind. Dawes is not only academically intelligent but he also has the football and people smarts that good football leaders need.  JH will be a far better forward with Dawes back on field.

agree with all that - but he needs to take the odd mark and kick a goal or two...

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1 hour ago, Ted Fidge said:

This is what I think of when I watch Jesse run in for a shot on goal.

Jesse Hogan runup

That is so funny TF. The nag is a fair bit more graceful than our Hoges.

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17 minutes ago, DDEE said:

That is so funny TF. The nag is a fair bit more graceful than our Hoges.

There's a second career waiting for him if the bottom drops out of football ...

Maybe that's what the contract flap is about. He wants more hay in his stable and a nicer blanket before he signs!

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1 hour ago, nutbean said:

agree with all that - but he needs to take the odd mark and kick a goal or two...

Hopefully the two aren't mutually exclusive. I always feel we're a better team with Dawes in the side, but equally, we can't afford to have players out there just to steady the ship. I think it does confirm - as if last Saturday wasn't enough - how lacking we are in on-field leadership and maturity.

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On 6 April 2016 at 1:21 PM, AngryAtCasey said:

Agree with this BR.

 

Dunn could play at CHF and even play some very reduced minutes in the ruck if need be to give Gawn a spell when he needs it.  Has kicked a bag of 5 before and started as a forward.  Not sure if Frost or Pedersen are the answer. 

 

We need someone to hold the fort until Dawes is back or Weideman is ready.

I will believe Dawes being back and playing a positive rôle when I see it, and not before    I am certainly looking forward positively to seeing Weideman develop, but Lynden as a HF makes a lot of t of sense if he is not needed in defence  

On 6 April 2016 at 3:56 PM, Skuit said:

Is it time to send out a search party for Kent? He's been missing for four long quarters and didn't even rock up for a training report.

Maybe that suggests that he was unwell on Saturday  I sure hope he was 

On 6 April 2016 at 5:09 PM, AngryAtCasey said:

It's funny, cause i automatically thought the same thing when i initially wrote it, but then saw Waite only has 3cm & 1kg on Garland. Hardly figures that would make you think he'll monster Col.

Those stats just show how misleading stats can be.  IMO if Waite matches up on Garland he will absolutely monster him, and probably kick 4 or 5 before Roos responds.  By which time the game will be well and truly over. 

Edited April 7, 2016 by monoccular