11 hours ago, Biffen said:

Petracca and Oliver will be stealing Brownlow votes from each other.

That's my only concern.

Herein is the problem Biffen: Viney, Salem, Brayshaw, T. MacDonald, Vanders and Hogan will all have to "tank" if they are to have half a chance. Let's also hope Weideman doesn't get a game this year. 

Edit. There is another small problem also with N. Jones, Gawn, Tyson and Vince. This is the dilemma with depth, something we didn't have when Stymes or Woewodin won theirs.

54 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

And many of those appearances were half games due to being sub.

No doubt he looked like he had it in his first year. But he has not only stagnated, he has actually gone backwards. Big year for him.

I think it is more the case of him being overrated by many on here in the first place.

Trengove dares to dream as Petracca shows he's a game-breaker

4 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

And many of those appearances were half games due to being sub.

No doubt he looked like he had it in his first year. But he has not only stagnated, he has actually gone backwards. Big year for him.

He hasn't stagnated unfortunately he is another one of those players who has had a run of niggling little injuries he is now fully fit had his zip back yesterday managed to tackle Trac and get a holding the ball  so not all that bad

6 hours ago, Good Times Grimes said:

He's still contracted until 2017. He's played 22 games and kicked 13 goals, which in my book is doing quite well for a young, undersized player picked at #40 in the draft after two years in the system.

empathy nice,  but loses finals games when applied to list management.  Creates disappointment down the track. 

Yes he's doing well to be on an afl list,  but surely we aren't here for that reason.

 

JKH is small,  not overly fast,  & needs more tricks to make the grade.  He needs to win more ball & be damaging with it.

4 hours ago, rjay said:

I think it is more the case of him being overrated by many on here in the first place.

yep the contrast within our list at that time was glaring.

5 hours ago, rjay said:

I think it is more the case of him being overrated by many on here in the first place.

I strongly disagree. Go back and watch his first season, and there was plenty to like. I thought he has always lacked the top end speed, but had plenty of smarts and was such a tidy kick. But for whatever reason, injury, confidence, whatever, he was a better player that year than he is today.

JKH was also coming back from an injury incurred in the pre season so I'll cut him some slack but I was personally disappointed with him yesterday. I suspect that with the form of Garlett, Kent and Harmes, the likely return to the side of Jack Trengove and the impending debut of Christian Petracca, JKH has his work cut out to get into the team. 

16 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

I strongly disagree. Go back and watch his first season, and there was plenty to like. I thought he has always lacked the top end speed, but had plenty of smarts and was such a tidy kick. But for whatever reason, injury, confidence, whatever, he was a better player that year than he is today.

He showed glimpses 'Forest' and then so many were in raptures about him.

One of his big pluses was that he worked his a... of in his first preseason and was rewarded for that, it seems he has been frustrated with injury since.

One of the big minuses is that at his height he lacks top end speed plus his decision making and kicking is a bit hit and miss.

...but at the end of the day he is a kid trying to find his way, maybe he will, maybe he won't.

2 minutes ago, rjay said:

He showed glimpses 'Forest' and then so many were in raptures about him.

One of his big pluses was that he worked his a... of in his first preseason and was rewarded for that, it seems he has been frustrated with injury since.

One of the big minuses is that at his height he lacks top end speed plus his decision making and kicking is a bit hit and miss.

...but at the end of the day he is a kid trying to find his way, maybe he will, maybe he won't.

Yes, he showed glimpses, but that is as much as you can expect from a first year player. He was on his way to being a handy player. But today, there aren't even glimpses. Anyway, let's hope he gets going.

4 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

TDoesn'te dares to dreais as Petracca shows he's a game-breaker

Thanks for link Jack. Good article on how some of our NQRs (Injury wise) are going . 

Trenners even mentions the progress of Petracca. Says he's putting his best "foot" forward. Surely he means "Toe"?