He hasnt been developed properly. None of our youngsters have. That was the talk on the radio over the weekend. put trengove in a top 8 team different results. I think the captaincy affected him to.

It is absolutely appauling. Imagine how his parants would be feeling about the club.

Young kids careers are at stake here and the trend we have going on should be looked into.

Darcy also thinks it should be looked into as to what has happened with Trengove. Pick 2 to now playing in the VFL. He is absolutely right and I would have no issues for an independent commission to look into it.

No need for a commission, he's just slow.

On Talking Footy Watson and Carey said at the moment they think we got it wrong as Dom Tyson will be a good player but Kelly will become one of the elite midfielders of the game.

Kelly look like a gun no doubt

But short sighted comments since Salem hasn't played and Tyson looks very handy

No need for a commission, he's just slow.

Blease isn't, nor is Watts or Morton or Maric....

Blease isn't, nor is Watts or Morton or Maric....

The real issue is that the MFC have been so poorly managed over multiple seasons - there are no real seior blokes to lead

Started when Junior was shown the door - the MFC has gone backwards and now the young blokes are expected to sink or swim without time to develop properly

We've been our own worst enemies - clubs like the Hawks top up with experience we keep sacrificing kids and failing

Yep and even given that it was only the last 10-15 minutes which killed us just as it was the 10-15 minutes in the 3rd quarter during the Saints game. Had we managed to take our opportunities and concentrate for the full game in both games we could very well be 2-1 at this stage. Obviously we're not and the natives are restless but I don't think they are as bad as they necessarily appear to be.

Doctor I made the mistake of driving up to Spotless/Skoda/Showground stadium to witness this debacle. I am calling it my "Lost Weekend". Friday night I see The Hawks dismantle the Dockers in a clinical display of modern footy, Saturday I drive to Nagambie for a get together with the in laws and meet up with numerous aunties who all feel for me everytime Melbourne plays! They all follow the Hawks or the Dons etc. I smile but think I don't need their sympathy, MFC is not me, I haven't caused this. I don't want sympathy

We head off up to Sydney, Saturday arvo and get to Gundagai by 1900 hours and stay at a Motel for $75 a night, great value. Then we head up town and it is quiet. We find ourselves at the Criterion Hotel for dinner. Now I reckon I last stayed at Gundagai town in the 60s with the family as a kid, but I reckon the menu and the bistro has not changed since. If you have ever been in a time warp the Criterion is it. I am sure I saw a guy in a dark suit in the corner of the bistro, smoking a cigarette and mumbling someting about "and the next stop ahead is the Twillight Zone"! Anyway I had a burnt Parma with over cooked veggies and a glass of house red that was poured into a glass out of sight from under the bar, $4, great value. It tasted more like a port so that is good value I suppose.

Back to the motel and had trouble sleeping thinking about the team lineup and oh that someone next door was snoring their head off. Up early and off to Spotless, thank God for GPS to find our way there. Park at Park No 5. A shortish walk to the stadium became a long one because most access was cut off for the Sydney Easter Show construction! No signs anywhere but got there finally wet and cold from the rain.

I knew we would struggle to win but really this is the worst, lowest standard AFL match I can remember. It was wet and slippery but really as youngsters we all played in the wet and even mud and I remember taking chest marks but we dropped them time and time again. After half time we fought back but then consigned ourselves to failure if only from our kick outs. They all went long to the members wing, for two quarters, time and time again, not close enough to the boundary to punch it out, just in board enough to allow the Giants to spoil and handball it out to the receivers who had all set up behind and in board for the predictable Melbourne kick in. This went on for two quarters for heavens sake. Our players only once spread out the other to the other wing on a kick out and stuffed that up anyway. In a game that is so congested and one that you need to open up to win, don't you lead in all directions across the ground hoping to spread the opposition press. Obviously no.

I usually look at our losses hoping for positives but really there is not much there I am afraid. West Coast tore us apart because they are so big and imposing. I thought we may regain some composure against the kids but no we were physically out played. The cupboard looks very bare. There are no impact players, who can break open a pack and set up a play or receive a ball and burn off the opposition with leg speed and deliver the ball to a forward. The only player on our list who could have changed Sundays outcome is Mitch who would have probably kicked 3 or 4 by just taking pack marks or getting to ground and roving his own ball. Dawes won't do a lot with our delivery and Hogan will struggle because the ball won't get to him. Gee even in our dark days of the 70's we had some stars who could turn it on every now and then for the odd win, Flower, Wells, Alves etc. They were exciting to watch. Yesterday there was just nothing. Just vanilla players who may try when it suits them but just don't have much to give. We had a number of players who could contest a ball and put it back into dispute but no one who can predictably win a contest and set up the next play a la the Hawks who probably have a dozen players who can do that most of the time.

I just don't see where we go from here. We just keep turning over the list I suppose in hope.

I meant we have done it again because it seems every team we play the next round a player gets nominated. I didnt mean because we chose to trade away our pick. Im rapt with Tyson. Sorry if it came across the wrong way.

At the moment we are a media target with players we have supposedly passed up. It really annoys me. Know one can know how good Kelly will be.

By the way wont mention his name but when will people start to mention a gws player who is on a mill a year but doesnt get the possessions. 17 possies yesterday

And we could go close to doing it again next week if Cripps carries his VFL form into next week at AFL level

Blease isn't, nor is Watts or Morton or Maric....

I wasn't talking about them but they all have or had major flaws that severely hamper their overall ability to play football.

For what it's worth I was concerned about Trengove's lack of pace in 2011, it's nothing new.

Darcy also thinks it should be looked into as to what has happened with Trengove. Pick 2 to now playing in the VFL. He is absolutely right and I would have no issues for an independent commission to look into it.

Dude, you realise Darcy was joking when he said there should be a Royal Commission into it..

Dude, you realise Darcy was joking when he said there should be a Royal Commission into it..

He was half serious but as I said, I would have no issues with it.

He was half serious but as I said, I would have no issues with it.

Do you understand what a Royal Commission is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission

This is something Gillon McLachlan can do...

I wasn't talking about them but they all have or had major flaws that severely hamper their overall ability to play football.

For what it's worth I was concerned about Trengove's lack of pace in 2011, it's nothing new.

It's gotten progressively worse since 2011. If it was shocking back then, how can it be described now? Horrifying, perhaps.

It's interesting that in the match reviews form the Scorps, not many posters thought Trengove stood out, yet the official match review was full of praise and had him as a pivotal match winner.

I would certainly hope the club is being honest with itself in regards to Trenners and where he is at. If that lesson hasn't been learned by now, god help us.

Agree on the latter, but the former is more speculative for me.

Doesn't Scully have the same condition, yet........

I think Dawes will play some very, very good footy for us.

Yes, Dawes is more speculative I agree. From the few games I've seen of him, I tend to think he could have about 70-80% of the impact that Cloke would.

I could live with that but what I'm more interested in, given Dawes history of injury management, is if Melbourne have a clause in hi contract similar to Paul Chapman where a certain percentage of games per year is required. I think that ought to apply to any new highly touted player from now on if it doesn't already.