The voters ( quite rightly) had a gutfull of the Gillard/Rudd war and had seen the worst of Rudd by the time of the election.

Interestingly Rudd in the early days of his PM-ship was popular with voters but disliked within his party and Gillard was wrong to challenge him - the rest is history.

Shorten certainly doesn't inspire confidence but his strategy is sound - keep schtum - Tony will do the job for you. The strategy will have to change when Malcolm takes the throne.

I just think the leap from either opposition leader or high ranking minister to the top job brings many undone.

But they libs are showing right now, since the wheels fell off in both Victoria & Queensland, they are going 'softly softly', in the run to the next election... priming the electorate for another term;

before they'll return to their ideological ideals, & their real agenda...

they will decieve the electorate again to win hearts & trust back. then after the next election the hockey hammer will slam down again.

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I wouldn't call them gaffs

More like bloopers in the rabbots case

gaffs are too kind, for someone in his responsible chair.

I think that bloopers doesn't cover it either. I am truly gobsmacked that a person whose chosen profession dictates that he has some skill in publicly delivering a message articulately and thoughtfully is so appalling at it.

We can argue policy all day long - its healthy and important. We can disagree on Lib or ALP policy but I still cannot get my head around what an incompetent Abbott is in terms of how he presents and how he has continually misread the electorate. And the kicker is that most of his misreadings were avoidable and in many cases over non issues. Giving an Australia day award to Chuckles - unnecessary. Linking foreign aid to Indonesia with the plight of two/ bali nine ( important to keep pressure on Indonesia but his approach was stupid) and funding to remote communities - an important issue but the use of the term " lifestyle choice" .....lordy..

I think that bloopers doesn't cover it either. I am truly gobsmacked that a person whose chosen profession dictates that he has some skill in publicly delivering a message articulately and thoughtfully is so appalling at it.

We can argue policy all day long - its healthy and important. We can disagree on Lib or ALP policy but I still cannot get my head around what an incompetent Abbott is in terms of how he presents and how he has continually misread the electorate. And the kicker is that most of his misreadings were avoidable and in many cases over non issues. Giving an Australia day award to Chuckles - unnecessary. Linking foreign aid to Indonesia with the plight of two/ bali nine ( important to keep pressure on Indonesia but his approach was stupid) and funding to remote communities - an important issue but the use of the term " lifestyle choice" .....lordy..

he's the head head kicker they installed as the others are just soft.

this rabbot is the australian version of the US's george 'w' bush

Shorten certainly doesn't inspire confidence but his strategy is sound - keep schtum - Tony will do the job for you. The strategy will have to change when Malcolm takes the throne.

I just think the leap from either opposition leader or high ranking minister to the top job brings many undone.

Shorten's small target scare campaign strategy has just been found wanting in the NSW state election.

Malcolm Turnbull will not take the thrown (of the Liberals). The only voters who like him are those that wouldn't vote Liberal anyway. Scott Morison or Julie Bishop will replace Abbott if he is knifed which in itself is unlikely.

Agreed the final step from top ranking minister to PM is a hard one. I really liked Gillard as a minister besides the fact I was ideologically opposed to alot of her policies. Once she got the top job I think she struggled and I believe was poorly advised.

Shorten's small target scare campaign strategy has just been found wanting in the NSW state election.

Malcolm Turnbull will not take the thrown (of the Liberals). The only voters who like him are those that wouldn't vote Liberal anyway. Scott Morison or Julie Bishop will replace Abbott if he is knifed which in itself is unlikely.

Agreed the final step from top ranking minister to PM is a hard one. I really liked Gillard as a minister besides the fact I was ideologically opposed to alot of her policies. Once she got the top job I think she struggled and I believe was poorly advised.

nothing to do with shorten

the turnaround is all to do with the libs reshuffle of cabinet positions, the fronting up to the media of Morrison, Corman & Ley over the past couple of months, &

Hockey & the rabbot 'laid low' for some time, around the Qld election time, before & after.

....... the NSW incoming premier has a lot of charisma, much more than his labor counterpart, & with the improvement of the national government since the reshuffle, & hiding those who were disliked, the disapproval of rabbots team faded.

most of the front bench hid from the media cameras in the leadup to the nsw election .

I see there was an article in the OZ newspaper today from the prime minister's chief business advisor Maurice Newman that climate change is a hoax driven by the United Nation's determination to take over the world and destroy democracies like ourselves. Is this guy in a straight jacket, no he is advising our leader and getting word space in the OZ.

I was thinking you could cut Tony some slack because he is surrounded by idiots but then I thought to myself no you can't because Tony has personally chosen to surround himself with idiots.

And then I thought about it yet again and realised that any leader who chooses to surround himself with idiots is a bigger idiot than any of the idiots he has surrounded himself with. Newman, Hockey, Pyne, Bronwyn, Hunt, Bernardi and on and on.

& his pel, & spiritual advisor

Hundreds of genuine Refugees adrift at sea without hope. We could help but what is Tony's response and strategy is the old Nope, Nope, Nope A Dope rather than the old rope a dope trick. Tony the Nope a Dope. I just felt l needed to record that thought.

Irland- a bloody catholic nation, just passed gay marriage laws

Disgusting that we are still so behind on this issue. If Abott can do one decent thing in his time, it would be to pass gay marriage laws.

In 30 years we'll look back on this the way we look at black rights.

Irland- a bloody catholic nation, just passed gay marriage laws

Disgusting that we are still so behind on this issue. If Abott can do one decent thing in his time, it would be to pass gay marriage laws.

In 30 years we'll look back on this the way we look at black rights.

the rabbot won't do anything like it unless his best pel, tells him its OK.

but he will take away from if he thinks it should be... cause his pel tells him so

I think it is time for Herr Abbot to ditch the blue tie and suit, put on the tailored leather jacket, military cap, jodpurs and monocle and portray himself as he really is a control freak fascist in charge of a hate group once known as the small l pluralist liberal party built on the ideas of free speech, tolerance of different ideologies and ideas. Gee what happened? Howard started the rot, they disowned Fraser who held them to account till he died, now the once proud party is in free fall embodied by the likes of Abbott, the numerous flat earthers on the back bench from the Nationals and WA liberals and other assorted religious nutters, to say nothing of those who have sold their soul to the Fossil Fuel Industry. How sad.

I think it is time for Herr Abbot to ditch the blue tie and suit, put on the tailored leather jacket, military cap, jodpurs and monocle and portray himself as he really is a control freak fascist in charge of a hate group once known as the small l pluralist liberal party built on the ideas of free speech, tolerance of different ideologies and ideas. Gee what happened? Howard started the rot, they disowned Fraser who held them to account till he died, now the once proud party is in free fall embodied by the likes of Abbott, the numerous flat earthers on the back bench from the Nationals and WA liberals and other assorted religious nutters, to say nothing of those who have sold their soul to the Fossil Fuel Industry. How sad.

well, what happened; that well known 'stalinist' Robert Menzies, finished as prime minister opening the doors of the free marketeers... they've taken the reigns, & todays politicians are just puppets of those free marketeers.

fear of media barons, & the agendas they choose to drive, control the naive minds of people addicted to the toys of the time.

hmmm. i'll have to give the weekly polemic fulmination award to earl by half a bee's d.ck over dee-luded

(pig-iron bob a stalinist - i like that one d-l)

I seriously do not understand the whole debate around marriage equality.

Unless you wish to marry someone of the same sex it has zero impact on you.

If they pass laws allowing same sex marriage it will continue to have zero impact on anyone not wanting to marry someone of the same sex.

This is such a no brainer - pass marriage equality laws now - for anyone who objects to this I urge them to protest in the strongest way possible by not marrying someone of the same sex..

(I have always been a strong advocate for marriage equality - I find it galling that the gay community does not have the same right to be as miserable as the straight community)

I seriously do not understand the whole debate around marriage equality.

Unless you wish to marry someone of the same sex it has zero impact on you.

If they pass laws allowing same sex marriage it will continue to have zero impact on anyone not wanting to marry someone of the same sex.

This is such a no brainer - pass marriage equality laws now - for anyone who objects to this I urge them to protest in the strongest way possible by not marrying someone of the same sex..

(I have always been a strong advocate for marriage equality - I find it galling that the gay community does not have the same right to be as miserable as the straight community)

quite, nut. be wary what you ask for

hmmm. i'll have to give the weekly polemic fulmination award to earl by half a bee's d.ck over dee-luded

(pig-iron bob a stalinist - i like that one d-l)

your so super-stitious daisy. you don't trust the people to know what they want, or to trust them to create they're own life.

I suspect your hero's like to farm the people, & feed off them.

?? uoy taht si, enyaw?

?? uoy taht si, enyaw?

?? uoy taht si, enyaw?

Now that would make my year. ENYAW in the Tony Abbott thread.

Sad thing though is that it's likely to be Tony Abbott himself when Peta Credlin leaves him unsupervised with a switched on PC at arms length.

Now that would make my year. ENYAW in the Tony Abbott thread.

Sad thing though is that it's likely to be Tony Abbott himself when Peta Credlin leaves him unsupervised with a switched on PC at arms length.

Now that you mention it, Enyaw and Abbott have never been seen in the same thread together... hmmmmm!

Now that you mention it, Enyaw and Abbott have never been seen in the same thread together... hmmmmm!

more likely enyaw naws, hardtack

Now that you mention it, Enyaw and Abbott have never been seen in the same thread together... hmmmmm!

If Enyaw dons the budgie smugglers, it's a dead give away..

Not sure what is more internationally embarrassing though....donning the budgie smugglers or eating one's ear wax!

If Enyaw dons the budgie smugglers, it's a dead give away..

Not sure what is more internationally embarrassing though....donning the budgie smugglers or eating one's ear wax!

or bbo in budgies eating his squeeze's ear wax?

I think that bloopers doesn't cover it either. I am truly gobsmacked that a person whose chosen profession dictates that he has some skill in publicly delivering a message articulately and thoughtfully is so appalling at it.

We can argue policy all day long - its healthy and important. We can disagree on Lib or ALP policy but I still cannot get my head around what an incompetent Abbott is in terms of how he presents and how he has continually misread the electorate. And the kicker is that most of his misreadings were avoidable and in many cases over non issues. Giving an Australia day award to Chuckles - unnecessary. Linking foreign aid to Indonesia with the plight of two/ bali nine ( important to keep pressure on Indonesia but his approach was stupid) and funding to remote communities - an important issue but the use of the term " lifestyle choice" .....lordy..

As a person of the centre right I have never warmed to Tony Abbott. I never thought he would become PM. I do, however, think he is the most under rated politician in my lifetime. Policies aside he has disposed of 2 PM's (one of them twice), got the opposition leader on the ropes, got the left leaning ABC ducking for cover and Malcolm Turnbull wedged because he can no longer appear on Q&A which is his most powerful platform.

He is doing something right and I'll be buggered if I even know what it is.

As a person of the centre right I have never warmed to Tony Abbott. I never thought he would become PM. I do, however, think he is the most under rated politician in my lifetime. Policies aside he has disposed of 2 PM's (one of them twice), got the opposition leader on the ropes, got the left leaning ABC ducking for cover and Malcolm Turnbull wedged because he can no longer appear on Q&A which is his most powerful platform.

He is doing something right and I'll be buggered if I even know what it is.

He is winning a game in which you can be successful in if you have all the morals of a ferret on speed let loose in a small child's rabbit hutch.

It's what you actually do with the power you gain and if you make people's lives better.