Peter Jackson on ABC right now

[pitmaster 3,513]

How cvan you single AmnyOne out after 45 Yrs of failing Boards??? can't you see the obvious, that we can Never get a footy board inplace in nearly 50Yrs... half adecade of boards not understanding footy & winning footy people... biases, No we won't have Matthews, no we won't have Sheedy, No we don't like anyone who ruffles our feathers...

stop looking for scapegoats & See the real picture here...

You see, this is what's wrong with all our discussions on this topic.

You're sounding like WYL.

If we have been so rotten for 45 years with failing boards all that time how is it we played in two grand finals and, I dunno, five or six or seven prelims in the period 1987-2006 and what, a dozen (?) finals series over that period?

The facts are we did have it right for substantial periods so stop exaggerating. Under Stuart Spencer there was the 'give R Flower one more chance to play in a finals series campaign' that resulted in sustained finals action. We were stiff to run into a grand final against a power team at the peak of its powers on two occasions. Imagine if we had Adelaide's luck and encountered a grand final novice like the Saints instead.

All this we have been hopeless since 1964 is horseshit and the sort of tripe WYL specialises in - leave it to Mr Glass Half Empty and remember we can and did sometimes get it right.

(Pleased to set you straight with a milestone posting.)

Edited June 26, 2013 by pitmaster

[jazza 1,323]

first job on the list for pj

how can we pay 95% of what Collingwood pays

example .swan, pendl,brown,thomas ,beames,cloke

we haven't got any players up to that standard, so how the hell are we paying so much in players wages

don't throw rocks at me , just compare lists and money PAID

btw you don't get paid on potential, this weve got plenty but so has everybody else

our first class players don't even come close to other clubs yet we pay an exhorbidant overprice amazing

GET THIS RIGHT

[Sir Why You Little 36,989]

How cvan you single AmnyOne out after 45 Yrs of failing Boards??? can't you see the obvious, that we can Never get a footy board inplace in nearly 50Yrs... half adecade of boards not understanding footy & winning footy people... biases, No we won't have Matthews, no we won't have Sheedy, No we don't like anyone who ruffles our feathers...

stop looking for scapegoats & See the real picture here...

i am looking at the real picture.

Stop looking at an abstract painting DL. We know you hate the Northern Stand ok.

Finally the club will get the right people to run THE BUSINESS because the AFL actually do regard us as an asset.

[binman 42,691]

i am looking at the real picture.

Stop looking at an abstract painting DL.

Why isn't an abstract painting a real picture?

[[email protected] 101]

I beg your pardon???

Do you realize where these cowboys have left our club????

With a payout that is equal to a decade in my job.

Time for you to grow up Stuie.

We should be able to charge these clowns with treason.

I agree with you WYL...Don't need any more BS from people like Stuie...He will always have a "half empty" glass... Say what you like Stuie because nothing you say will bother me. I am over your era and anyone who wants to stay in it with you...! Either get on board now and forget the past and be around when the culture of this club changes .. FOR THE BETTER... Any more negatives should be condemned...This is the beginning of a new era... Get with it or stay behind and wallow in the old, destructive. weak culture.. Go Peter Jackson and anyone else wishing to help our once great Club.. Tell it how it is/has been... I, along with thousands of others, I am sure, welcome your approach .. MFC needs a complete overhaul.. I couldn't care less what CS or MN or anyone else did ,, I would rather forget all of that and move on.. If PJ doesn't fix it the MFC is history.. !! .

Edited June 26, 2013 by [email protected]

[[email protected] 101]

You see, this is what's wrong with all our discussions on this topic.

You're sounding like WYL.

If we have been so rotten for 45 years with failing boards all that time how is it we played in two grand finals and, I dunno, five or six or seven prelims in the period 1987-2006 and what, a dozen (?) finals series over that period?

The facts are we did have it right for substantial periods so stop exaggerating. Under Stuart Spencer there was the 'give R Flower one more chance to play in a finals series campaign' that resulted in sustained finals action. We were stiff to run into a grand final against a power team at the peak of its powers on two occasions. Imagine if we had Adelaide's luck and encountered a grand final novice like the Saints instead.

All this we have been hopeless since 1964 is horseshit and the sort of tripe WYL specialises in - leave it to Mr Glass Half Empty and remember we can and did sometimes get it right.

(Pleased to set you straight with a milestone posting.)

The point is in 2013 WE have not "got it right" and living in the past will do nothing to get it right..Fark what has happened and move on ..looking behind takes minds off the job ahead ..Get on board or miss the train to future success... Choose your preference... GO the "new" progressive Melbourne Football Club..We have a chance to clear the rubble and rebuild.. Let's take it.. Negatives don't interest me... So don't bother directing them towards me..

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

CB if you couldn't see that you're kidding yourself. Would you want to stay at Melb as a 25, 25+yr old player? No chance. It's still a bleak future at this stage, I'd be looking at my options if playing finals was a key priority. If money was, I'd stay at Melb as I doubt many if any if out players would get pay rises going to other clubs.

of course I could see that

what I said is that the club has never before told us truth as awful as that

[[email protected] 101]

CB if you couldn't see that you're kidding yourself. Would you want to stay at Melb as a 25, 25+yr old player? No chance. It's still a bleak future at this stage, I'd be looking at my options if playing finals was a key priority. If money was, I'd stay at Melb as I doubt many if any if out players would get pay rises going to other clubs.

OR even a game ???

[dee-luded 2,959]

I think (well hope) that is turning around now 'dee', there is little doubt in my mind that the reason we didn't get a senior coach last appointment was because of the ruffled feathers thing you talk about.

Eade who was the pick at that time wouldn't have towed the party line so easily whereas a rookie coach preaching the values the powers at the time wanted to hear was the ideal choice.

I'm not blaming the Last 5 years at all because they stopped sitting on their hands & took action.. that in itself is a big step in the right direction... its a start.

they made mistakes trying to sort out half a century of mess & nothingness. I would rather we tried & messed up rather than be conservative & be Grey.

i take my hat off for the courage of the past 5 years & we must Keep the take it on have a go attitude, but we have to learn where we keep making mistakes. & that is the boards Do Not understand the difference between Winning footy people, & just nice footy people.... including the Coaches.

genius coaches, (footy wise) are not easily understood, & sometimes passionately disliked by many... the reason people don't understand them is because they often work on higher frequency than the average.... & this can be why they are misunderstood & undervalued, clubs opting for cheaper imitations.

we've tended to hire coaches & footy people, who fit our likes, likes around the turn of the Century.... we took a likeable young chap... & we got what we looked for...

nice guys since the early 90's, & no flags with some handy lists. as Peter Jackson has reiterated, we have to Lose the nice Guy, holier than thou, attitude.

Edited June 26, 2013 by dee-luded

[dee-luded 2,959]

i am looking at the real picture.

Stop looking at an abstract painting DL. We know you hate the Northern Stand ok.

Finally the club will get the right people to run THE BUSINESS because the AFL actually do regard us as an asset.

I do not have hate in me WYL... its not part of my personal makeup... & that is why I do not look for scapegoats. If I make a mistake, the person I'll blame is Me.

but I do not feel much respect, for anyone who wants to keep others at bay... & continually holds power over, & neglects those in its domain.

Edited June 26, 2013 by dee-luded

[old dee 23,782]

I do not have hate in me WYL... its not part of my personal makeup... & that is why I do not look for scapegoats. If I make a mistake, the person I'll blame is Me.

but I do not feel much respect, for anyone who wants to keep others at bay... & continually holds power over, & neglects those in its domain.

On that you have my full agreement.

I do sit in the northern stand though dee-luded usually amongst my fellow riff raff

[[email protected] 101]

Haha! Yes i am embarrassing myself Stuie.

How much of your hard earned did you tip in since 2008 whilst also paying off a housing loan??

How do you feel ..being told to "grow up" by someone like Stuie ???

[Sir Why You Little 36,989]

How do you feel ..being told to "grow up" by someone like Stuie ???

i got over it very quickly!

[dee-luded 2,959]

On that you have my full agreement.

I do sit in the northern stand though dee-luded usually amongst my fellow riff raff

HaHaHa,,, so have I.... I had a reserved seat for a season in the tridents area..

Its Not about the people, the people are nice. But when it comes to our footy Club, one of the big reasons we fail, is we're too nice... as PJ has just said recently, about the Club. & IMO, we don't have Enough of the so called riff raff...

I think we need to stop having our Board so Influenced by the Northern Stand Culture & thinking... & IMO after 45 Yrs of boards that have been, & haven't met any real fanfare whatsoever, other than the D'ck Seddon admin, which was heavily footy focused...

But IMO, One of the reasons we have a struggling supporter base at the bottom end, is I think our boards have over-represented the Northern Stand (MFC/MCC) at our other supporters neglect.

And the fact we have never had a training ground with social club... this is where relationships at the grassroots begin, & family involvements can take shape...

I'm a Jeans & 'T' shirt type of person... I can mingle with anyone, & have a Najee suit, & Dinner jackets, but I can't stand them really, & would myself prefer to support from the Outer. or the Ponsford stand.

I just like the freedom to be able to move, where I want, when I want...

Edited June 26, 2013 by dee-luded