WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - SHANNON BYRNES

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

So for the sake of our draft position we should be hoping Goddard stays at st kilda.

[rolly 149]

I believe the highest form of compo is a pick straight after your 1st round pick...which is why hypothetically we could end up with picks 3,4,5...as long as the afl believe moloney is worth that much using their secret formula.

Secret formula being code for demetriou and anderson sitting around scheming away

[markc 975]

There's 2 different first round compensation bands. But a club can only receive a maximum of 1 pick per player and must use the picks in the upcoming draft. So that makes it a little harder for tanking I think as they can't bank the picks.

Free Agency - The Age

I thought the picks got used the following year , so if you loose a player in 2012 the picks have to be used in 2013 ??

[stuie 7,374]

I believe the highest form of compo is a pick straight after your 1st round pick...which is why hypothetically we could end up with picks 3,4,5...as long as the afl believe moloney is worth that much using their secret formula.

Secret formula being code for demetriou and anderson sitting around scheming away

Lol... No chance.

Mayyyyyybe if it was last year after his Bluey, but no way this year.

We'll probably get somewhere around 20-30, but only if we don't sign a free agent considered as good or better than Moloney.

[Jack Jack 415]

I thought the picks got used the following year , so if you loose a player in 2012 the picks have to be used in 2013 ??

No, they have to be used in the draft immediately following free agency. If the Pies lose Cloke, they'll most probably get the top compensation, which would equate to around pick 18 odd in this years draft.

[markc 975]

No, they have to be used in the draft immediately following free agency. If the Pies lose Cloke, they'll most probably get the top compensation, which would equate to around pick 18 odd in this years draft.

thankyou

[Brian Wilson 331]

Byrnes is, at the least, a good VFL standard small forward. But he's probably better than that - a good average player who could get a regular spot in half the teams in the league.

Not good enough? OK, he's not the Wiz in full flight. So what? At present, we don't even have Diamond Valley League standard small forwards.

I will not have you talking badly about the DVL.

[Redleg 37,556]

I believe the highest form of compo is a pick straight after your 1st round pick...which is why hypothetically we could end up with picks 3,4,5...as long as the afl believe moloney is worth that much using their secret formula.

Secret formula being code for demetriou and anderson sitting around scheming away

So hypothetically if we lost Beamer and Rivers and got no one back as a free agent we could get pick 5. Wow that could lead to manipulation by clubs.

[rpfc 27,435]

So hypothetically if we lost Beamer and Rivers and got no one back as a free agent we could get pick 5. Wow that could lead to manipulation by clubs.

It doesn't tally up, if we lose two players, we would get 2 Picks.

I agree it is complicated and I said months ago that there were many things up in the air (a few on here gave me the 'these are professional clubs, they have thought of everything' line but I doubt it.

rpfc's System

I still say that a 'tally' system is the way to go but in this fashion:

(Thereare 5 bands of comp with a points system of 5 for the highest and 1 for the lowest)

Lose

Player at Band 2 - 4 points

Player at Band 3 - 3 points

Player at Band 3 - 3 points

Gain

Player at Band 5 - 1 point

Player at Band 3 - 3 points

Player at Band 4 - 2 points

This would equal a net loss of 4 points but with no net loss of players. If there are no net loss of players or a gain of players a team would get ONE pick to the value of their loss of points. The above example would be Band 2 comp and a pick at the end of the first round.

This way would give incentive for clubs to sign up FAs as it would INCREASE the value of any picks gained as the net loss of players decreases.

That was hard to follow but a good way of doing it IMO.

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

Do we know if it tallies up or not? Because

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

Do we know if it tallies up or not? Because If we end up with pick 5 that would be huge.

And I'd imagine the club might look to trade to pick up any desired free agents rather that through free agency so it does not impact our net loss and therefore compensation.

I do hope the club has a good understanding of how this all works so it can make the beat decisions. They might not know the formula but I hope the know the compensation based on verious senarios.

[rpfc 27,435]

Do we know if it tallies up or not? Because If we end up with pick 5 that would be huge.

And I'd imagine the club might look to trade to pick up any desired free agents rather that through free agency so it does not impact our net loss and therefore compensation.

I do hope the club has a good understanding of how this all works so it can make the beat decisions. They might not know the formula but I hope the know the compensation based on verious senarios.

We just haven't got a journo willing to go and ask the AFL and 'get' how it will work, and I also think the AFL is making this up as they go...

[Jack Jack 415]

The real question is "are any of our free agents worth the top compensation?" I think we've maybe got a few at the end of the first round compensation picks in Moloney & Rivers. But I'm doubtful as to whether we'd get top compo for them.

You're right RPFC, until we know how they formulate the compensation, we won't know.

[stuie 7,374]

The real question is "are any of our free agents worth the top compensation?" I think we've maybe got a few at the end of the first round compensation picks in Moloney & Rivers. But I'm doubtful as to whether we'd get top compo for them.

You're right RPFC, until we know how they formulate the compensation, we won't know.

Depends on if they rate it as importance to the team or overall quality of player.

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

The real question is "are any of our free agents worth the top compensation?" I think we've maybe got a few at the end of the first round compensation picks in Moloney & Rivers. But I'm doubtful as to whether we'd get top compo for them.

You're right RPFC, until we know how they formulate the compensation, we won't know.

They might no be individually but if it's based on nett gain/loss they might be worth it combined.

You would think if it's done this way you would get one pick based in your total loss rather than a pick per player because it's impacted by the players you gain.

[Bossdog 2,002]

They might no be individually but if it's based on nett gain/loss they might be worth it combined.

You would think if it's done this way you would get one pick based in your total loss rather than a pick per player because it's impacted by the players you gain.

If you lose a player to FA......and you gain one from FA....No compensation will be given....

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

If you lose a player to FA......and you gain one from FA....No compensation will be given....

Do you know that for a fact?

What if the saints lost Goddard but gained Bate? Surely it can't be based purely on numbers but there is a value component.

[Demanding Success 298]

Boss dog is not correct. It will be judged by the difference.

[stuie 7,374]

Do you know that for a fact?

What if the saints lost Goddard but gained Bate? Surely it can't be based purely on numbers but there is a value component.

If you gain a FA that the AFL judges to be of the same quality as one you've lost you get no compensation.

I know it's the silly season, but some here need to realize that things work out evenly, we won't get favours.

[Jack Jack 415]

If you lose a player to FA......and you gain one from FA....No compensation will be given....

Not enitrely true. It depends on the difference between how they are rated in compensation. If they are equally rated then they cancel each other out. If you lose a higher rated player and gain a lesser one, the compensation will be based on the difference, so you'll still get one pick.

[old55 21,270]

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/31348-free-agency-compensation-picks/#entry620892

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

If you gain a FA that the AFL judges to be of the same quality as one you've lost you get no compensation.

I know it's the silly season, but some here need to realize that things work out evenly, we won't get favours.

You missed the point...well done...

[stuie 7,374]

You missed the point...well done...

You missed all of the facts about free agency. Well done yourself.

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

You missed all of the facts about free agency. Well done yourself.

From what I can tell your none the wiser...so well done again.

It seems that from this discussion and others that no one really knows all the facts.

[stuie 7,374]

From what I can tell your none the wiser...so well done again.

It seems that from this discussion and others that no one really knows all the facts.

Well dones all round then hey mate!