Story's are rarely so black and white.

Well, good ones anyway...

This is no exception.

You are right but on the November 8th 2011 I do not care beyond the fact that it was a very poor year for the MFC.

DB was the coach he was ordinary and he is gone.

Edited November 8, 201113 yr by old dee

You are right but on the November 8th 2011 I do not care beyond the fact that it was a very poor year for the MFC.

DB was the coach and he is gone.

They are the simple facts.

But the full story is never so simple.

They are the simple facts.

But the full story is never so simple.

Are you suggesting that DB was hardly done by?

Was he a good coach IYO?

They are the simple facts.

But the full story is never so simple.

When you get older you don't have time for all the intrigue and things become a lot clearer, black is black and white is white. Bailey was going to get the sack and it was purely a timing issue, anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional.

How there could be any other issues in play is beyond me. The players were not performing and irrespective of other factors it was his job to make them perform; he simply couldn’t.

You are right but on the November 8th 2011 I do not care beyond the fact that it was a very poor year for the MFC.

DB was the coach he was ordinary and he is gone.

186 had nothing to do with how good a coach he was.

I'm curious as to how you felt about him at the end of the 2010 season?

186 had nothing to do with how good a coach he was.

I'm curious as to how you felt about him at the end of the 2010 season?

BB I was never a big fan, lots of comments from me on Demonland bemoaning his game plan etc.

Do you think he was hardly done by?

PS who was the last good coach who's team got beaten by 25+ goals?

Edited November 8, 201113 yr by old dee

When you get older you don't have time for all the intrigue and things become a lot clearer, black is black and white is white. Bailey was going to get the sack and it was purely a timing issue, anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional.

How there could be any other issues in play is beyond me. The players were not performing and irrespective of other factors it was his job to make them perform; he simply couldn’t.

That covers it for me RobbieF

PS how is Mrs Robbie ? hope she has improved

Just as a matter of interest, how does everyone see a face to face with Bailey being orchestrated at the time?

From memory the media where already all over Stynes, Mclardy and the board members.

What would have happened if Stynes & co had rocked up at Bailey's joint? or if they all turned up at the G/bubble dome?

I would have thought that the phone call would have been the most practical and, from a certain point of view, sensitive way to break the news to Bailey at the time.

To do so face to face would have been an absolute media circus.

Just as a matter of interest, how does everyone see a face to face with Bailey being orchestrated at the time?

From memory the media where already all over Stynes, Mclardy and the board members.

What would have happened if Stynes & co had rocked up at Bailey's joint? or if they all turned up at the G/bubble dome?

I would have thought that the phone call would have been the most practical and, from a certain point of view, sensitive way to break the news to Bailey at the time.

To do so face to face would have been an absolute media circus.

Whatever way you look at it this it was not one of the finest hours of the MFC.

A disaster all round w/c 30th July.

To do so face to face would have been an absolute media circus.

So you let the media determine that you wont do the right thing by a loyal servant of the Club?? Interesting.

There was nothing to stop the VP or a Board member from having the basic decency of meeting with Bailey.

The media issue is a crock. And sacking someone by phone...sensitive.....FMD.

Whatever way you look at it this it was not one of the finest hours of the MFC.

A disaster all round w/c 30th July.

I think the disaster got momentum in the week commencing 23 July 2011.

So you let the media determine that you wont do the right thing by a loyal servant of the Club?? Interesting.

There was nothing to stop the VP or a Board member from having the basic decency of meeting with Bailey.

The media issue is a crock. And sacking someone by phone...sensitive.....FMD.

I think the disaster got momentum in the week commencing 23 July 2011.

You are correct RR I should have said "two weeks starting 23rd July"

Just as a matter of interest, how does everyone see a face to face with Bailey being orchestrated at the time?

From memory the media where already all over Stynes, Mclardy and the board members.

What would have happened if Stynes & co had rocked up at Bailey's joint? or if they all turned up at the G/bubble dome?

I would have thought that the phone call would have been the most practical and, from a certain point of view, sensitive way to break the news to Bailey at the time.

To do so face to face would have been an absolute media circus.

At first I thought the phone call was a bit of a poor way to handle it, but looking over the situation at the time I have to agree with you

The board meeting (and phone call) was late on a Sunday night

The press and Dean Bailey was aware of the meeting and possible outcome

Club had four choices to inform Bailey

[1] Face to face at his place. Manners would dictate a call first to get permission to come over. His family home on a Sunday evening would not be suitable.The call to check first would be a dead give away. Plus there was the media cicus. Scratch that idea.

[2] Face to Face on MFC territory. Again it was Sunday evening. It would require a phone call first. Again a dead give away. It would place Bailey at a greater inconvenience to be summoned. Scratch that idea.

[3] Wait till Bailey was at work next time. Press speculation/attention would be high. MFC would have to make some statement re the meeting even it was a stalling statement. Bailey would have to wait without any info then be sacked maybe onthe Monday (depending on his movements). Risky strategy. Scratch this idea

[4] Inform him as quick as possible via telehone by the most appropriate person before it became a media circus

I can see why option [4] was the best all-round option for all concerned

Are you suggesting that DB was hardly done by?

Was he a good coach IYO?

I'm not saying that - what I am saying is that unuanced statements are just that.

Bailey was doomed form the moment he took charge of that list with the lack of committment to the FD.

When you get older you don't have time for all the intrigue and things become a lot clearer, black is black and white is white. Bailey was going to get the sack and it was purely a timing issue, anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional.

How there could be any other issues in play is beyond me. The players were not performing and irrespective of other factors it was his job to make them perform; he simply couldn’t.

I disagree that black is black and white is white - you may wish to think of things in these terms but they are rarely so simple. And I mean that in terms of Bailey being a good coach/bad coach - Neeld is taking over with vastly different circumstances to Bailey...

And I thought he was gone after the Bulldogs loss, the idea that we could have kept him on after 186 is absurd. He had to go.

That is black and white.

I'm not saying that - what I am saying is that unuanced statements are just that.

Bailey was doomed form the moment he took charge of that list with the lack of committment to the FD.

I disagree that black is black and white is white - you may wish to think of things in these terms but they are rarely so simple. And I mean that in terms of Bailey being a good coach/bad coach - Neeld is taking over with vastly different circumstances to Bailey...

And I thought he was gone after the Bulldogs loss, the idea that we could have kept him on after 186 is absurd. He had to go.

That is black and white.

black is a shade of grey, white is a shade of grey

clear as mud..........

At first I thought the phone call was a bit of a poor way to handle it, but looking over the situation at the time I have to agree with you

The board meeting (and phone call) was late on a Sunday night

The press and Dean Bailey was aware of the meeting and possible outcome

Club had four choices to inform Bailey

[3] Wait till Bailey was at work next time. Press speculation/attention would be high. MFC would have to make some statement re the meeting even it was a stalling statement. Bailey would have to wait without any info then be sacked maybe onthe Monday (depending on his movements). Risky strategy. Scratch this idea

I can see why option [4] was the best all-round option for all concerned

Sorry DC, this (option 3) was the only suitable option. We can't use "the media forced us" arguement. If they ask, we tell them nothing. Blind Freddy would've seen the writing on the wall, but there is still a process that should have taken place.

My concern about the past 12 months is about how we did something, then acknowledge tha twe probably should've dont it differently, ie Junior's tap-on-shoulder, Bailey's phone call. How many times are we going to get away with f**king somehting up that should be a simple process before it bites us on the arse good and proper? Perhaps things like 186 are results of this?

Sorry DC, this (option 3) was the only suitable option. We can't use "the media forced us" arguement. If they ask, we tell them nothing. Blind Freddy would've seen the writing on the wall, but there is still a process that should have taken place.

My concern about the past 12 months is about how we did something, then acknowledge tha twe probably should've dont it differently, ie Junior's tap-on-shoulder, Bailey's phone call. How many times are we going to get away with f**king somehting up that should be a simple process before it bites us on the arse good and proper? Perhaps things like 186 are results of this?

Well I think on reflection it was just the "least offensive" choice of a "difficult list" in a "special set of circumstances"

It wasn't just the media, Bailey was well aware there was an extraordinary board meeting discussing his future.

I think he would have wanted to know the outcome as soon as possible.

May not have been ideal but IMO was the best of a bad lot.

Your mileage obviously differs.

Now Jnr....... that was a totally different situation

Well I think on reflection it was just the "least offensive" choice of a "difficult list" in a "special set of circumstances"

It wasn't just the media, Bailey was well aware there was an extraordinary board meeting discussing his future.

I think he would have wanted to know the outcome as soon as possible.

May not have been ideal but IMO was the best of a bad lot.

Your mileage obviously differs.

Now Jnr....... that was a totally different situation

Both cases are about respect and the type of culture we are trying to create at the Club. We failed on both occasions, and we are treading a fine line in the amount of damage we could be/are doing.

Sorry DC, this (option 3) was the only suitable option. We can't use "the media forced us" arguement. If they ask, we tell them nothing. Blind Freddy would've seen the writing on the wall, but there is still a process that should have taken place.

My concern about the past 12 months is about how we did something, then acknowledge tha twe probably should've dont it differently, ie Junior's tap-on-shoulder, Bailey's phone call. How many times are we going to get away with f**king somehting up that should be a simple process before it bites us on the arse good and proper? Perhaps things like 186 are results of this?

My understanding is that Junior was told that he was on his last contract at the start of the year and that was made clear. During the year Junior played well and probably better than he or we thought so he expected he would get another year and he didn't.

Now who it was that told Junior I don't now but it appears that it may have been Bailey; irrespective of that and irrespective of the way he was told it turned out bad for the club.

The moral to the storey is there is no good way to sack someone.

That covers it for me RobbieF

PS how is Mrs Robbie ? hope she has improved

No improvement old dee it's something they can't fix by the look of it so we just do what we can when we can. Thank you for asking anyway.