Jarrad Waite???

Are we interested???

2nd round pick + Warnock.

Waite will be 29 by the start of the 2012 season and has had a history of injury and brain explosions resulting in suspension; no thanks.

Waite will be 29 by the start of the 2012 season and has had a history of injury and brain explosions resulting in suspension; no thanks.

Didnt realise he was turning 29. Pass.

Ok, I'll throw some names out and expect to be howled at, but here goes:

Moloney

Green

Davey

Jurrah

Rivers

At the risk of being also ridiculed I agree and would consider trading Jurrah to Sheedy for the O'Meara deal. Absolutely I would.

And I would be inclined to offer Jamar, Davey, or Morton if they were in agreement, and picks in the trading period. And Warnock, Bater, Dunn, obviously all won't go but I'd go hard for deals.

I think Rivers is needed next year or 2.

Stayers For mine: Green has to stay to finish his career @ home. I'd like to see Bater for one year in the Mids as he's made some technique changes. Rivers is needed, unless he wants home.

Goers for mine; first out the door: Dunn/ Look to advance Aarons career elsewhere/ Jurrah - (O'Meara deal)/ Russian if he interested (Up to him)/

Wants: Boak/ Dangerfield/ O'Meara/ Crouch/ Docherty/ Hille

At the risk of being also ridiculed I agree and would consider trading Jurrah to Sheedy for the O'Meara deal. Absolutely I would. And I would be inclined to offer Jamar, Davey, or Morton if they were in agreement, and picks in the trading period. And Warnock, Bater, Dunn, obviously all won't go but I'd go hard for deals. I think Rivers is needed next year or 2. Stayers For mine: Green has to stay to finish his career @ home. I'd like to see Bater for one year in the Mids as he's made some technique changes. Rivers is needed, unless he wants home. Goers for mine; first out the door: Dunn/ Look to advance Aarons career elsewhere/ Jurrah - (O'Meara deal)/ Russian if he interested (Up to him)/ Wants: Boak/ Dangerfield/ O'Meara/ Crouch/ Docherty/ Hille

Hille will be 31 in June of next year, no thanks.

jamar has got a fair few years left in him so why we would entertain trading him is beyond me.

I'd like to see Bater for one year in the Mids as he's made some technique changes.

Agree. His best games at Casey and the last game against Port where he was one of our few good players he was in the middle. He was recruited as a mid but tried as a forward because of his size and turning circle.

I note that Ling is also awkward and slow and has played 246 games for the Cats and 2 flags as a mid.

Hille will be 31 in June of next year, no thanks.

jamar has got a fair few years left in him so why we would entertain trading him is beyond me.

You miss my point we can trade an @ Peak Ruck now, for maximum gain, and we have many young rucks who are ready to learn the bigtime. We could bring in a ex ruck who plays the Tall Forward well for 2 years, as Cook & Fitzy come come in for some games and go back to VFL to consolidate.

Hille has 2 Years in him as we mature, and he can impart knowledge & protection. He would come for a relatively modest cost to the Bombers.

If you can't see the gain to make us stronger by getting a Boak or Dangerfield, then I can't convince you. Sorry. Thats all I've got, & if you can't see it, I can't help.

Agree. His best games at Casey and the last game against Port where he was one of our few good players he was in the middle. He was recruited as a mid but tried as a forward because of his size and turning circle.

I note that Ling is also awkward and slow and has played 246 games for the Cats and 2 flags as a mid.

Bater has changed a couple of things 6 - 8 weeks prior to the season H&A end. He burnt in that time.

At the risk of being also ridiculed I agree and would consider trading Jurrah to Sheedy for the O'Meara deal. Absolutely I would.

And I would be inclined to offer Jamar, Davey, or Morton if they were in agreement, and picks in the trading period. And Warnock, Bater, Dunn, obviously all won't go but I'd go hard for deals.

I think Rivers is needed next year or 2.

Stayers For mine: Green has to stay to finish his career @ home. I'd like to see Bater for one year in the Mids as he's made some technique changes. Rivers is needed, unless he wants home.

Goers for mine; first out the door: Dunn/ Look to advance Aarons career elsewhere/ Jurrah - (O'Meara deal)/ Russian if he interested (Up to him)/

Wants: Boak/ Dangerfield/ O'Meara/ Crouch/ Docherty/ Hille

I honestly cannot believe people are suggesting that we should trade jurrah.

In 2011 most people say jurrah had a avg year, yet jurrah still kicked 40 gls with pretty ordinary service for most of the year.

Just imagine how good this kid could be if he was able to keep his body right and was not the number one forward. He does everything takes a good grab, kicks a good goal and just needs to work on his defensive pressure which I'm sure MN would be.

He could be anything especially if we can bring in a KPF to take some of the pressure off jurrah!!

I would love o"meara and would love him at the MFC but plz throw up some names that would be realistic. I don't think trading Liam jurrah is realistic!!

Bater has changed a couple of things 6 - 8 weeks prior to the season H&A end. He burnt in that time.

We agree. Though mainly at Casey.

You miss my point we can trade an @ Peak Ruck now, for maximum gain, and we have many young rucks who are ready to learn the bigtime. We could bring in a ex ruck who plays the Tall Forward well for 2 years, as Cook & Fitzy come come in for some games and go back to VFL to consolidate.

Hille has 2 Years in him as we mature, and he can impart knowledge & protection. He would come for a relatively modest cost to the Bombers.

If you can't see the gain to make us stronger by getting a Boak or Dangerfield, then I can't convince you. Sorry. Thats all I've got, & if you can't see it, I can't help.

Well all I can see from what you've said there is you want to trade off our number one ruckman so we can recriuit a former ruckman who you want to play as a forward. Then I guess, you haven't said this, but I guess you want to play Martin in the ruck with Gawn as his sidekick; that the plan?

This is on the basis that during the time Hille is in the side, if he is good enough to get a game that is, we can bring Cook and Fitzy in and out of the team, if they are good enough that is, whilst they learn; am I on the right track there so far?

The problem i have is how are they going to learn from Hille unless it's at Casey, because i doubt he would get a game at Melbourne.

I honestly cannot believe people are suggesting that we should trade jurrah.

In 2011 most people say jurrah had a avg year, yet jurrah still kicked 40 gls with pretty ordinary service for most of the year.

Just imagine how good this kid could be if he was able to keep his body right and was not the number one forward. He does everything takes a good grab, kicks a good goal and just needs to work on his defensive pressure which I'm sure MN would be.

He could be anything especially if we can bring in a KPF to take some of the pressure off jurrah!!

I would love o"meara and would love him at the MFC but plz throw up some names that would be realistic. I don't think trading Liam jurrah is realistic!!

I'm not saying get rid of Jurrah.

He's a huge talent, but has Huge limitations and may not make it. He has to Impose himself on the contest. The way he's going he won't last in finals footy, they'll crush him.

If I had a choice of the best Young gun like O'Meara, from watching him he is Just what I want us to find in a footballer, But I don't want to Use Both compensation picks plus another to get him.

I'd rather use one comp' pick, plus a player, or 2, or plus something else.

So, I would trade Jurrah to Sheedy, if thats what he wanted, as long as we got the U-17 player we wanted.

Sidenote: I have my concerns about Liam. Not his abundent skills. His toughness to survive the AFL & the city. I hope to be shown I have nothing to worry about.

I would rather divest our comp picks if possible to spread any risk across a wider area.

I'm not saying get rid of Jurrah.

He's a huge talent, but has Huge limitations and may not make it. He has to Impose himself on the contest. The way he's going he won't last in finals footy, they'll crush him.

If I had a choice of the best Young gun like O'Meara, from watching him he is Just what I want us to find in a footballer, But I don't want to Use Both compensation picks plus another to get him.

I'd rather use one comp' pick, plus a player, or 2, or plus something else.

So, I would trade Jurrah to Sheedy, if thats what he wanted, as long as we got the U-17 player we wanted.

Sidenote: I have my concerns about Liam. Not his abundent skills. His toughness to survive the AFL & the city. I hope to be shown I have nothing to worry about.

I would rather divest our comp picks if possible to spread any risk across a wider area.

If your not saying get rid of jurrah then what are u saying?? Trading jurrah to gws is getting rid of him, isn't it??

Jurrahs role is to lead up to the ball carrier not break packs open, he just doesn't have the body to do that and never will!!

That's why we need a Dawes type, I believe jurrah will reep the awards of that, where the attention is not solely on jurrah!!

Yes I know we would all love that, too have gun like o"meara coming to our club, but too give up one of our best talents is just ridiculous!!

He will only get better and I see no reason to have worries about jurrah, from what I've heard is very comfortable in Melb and having wonnas come back will only benefit him.

Why trade Jamar? All Australian 2009 then injury curtailed him last year. If anything, play him forward a little more to allow Lucas Cook or Petterd to be a second tall with Maric at the base and Jurrah as a third tall. May be time to put Davey forward as he did appear to lose both creativity and confidence down back.

Too often Jurrah was having to play as the main lead up forward and a couple of talls would free him up.

What we need to see is Cook given game time. Dean Bailey perhaps chopped and changed with the forwards and injury didn't help.

A Dangerfield would be a great compliment but surely not?

Don't forget also that these boys will have had another preseason under their belt.

Well all I can see from what you've said there is you want to trade off our number one ruckman so we can recriuit a former ruckman who you want to play as a forward. Then I guess, you haven't said this, but I guess you want to play Martin in the ruck with Gawn as his sidekick; that the plan?

This is on the basis that during the time Hille is in the side, if he is good enough to get a game that is, we can bring Cook and Fitzy in and out of the team, if they are good enough that is, whilst they learn; am I on the right track there so far?

The problem i have is how are they going to learn from Hille unless it's at Casey, because i doubt he would get a game at Melbourne.

No. Gawn is a No 1 ruck in learning, ahead of schedule. Martin is really a Follower who can shoulder some main ruck duties if he shares the duties around. Spencer would be also able to do some, If he comes back fine from his ACL. Limited AFL games next year, shares some work.

If we keep R Campbell, he's a capable quality No1 Ruck, he could do some work.

SO, What I am saying is, that we are growing and capable in the Ruck Talent, but need some Insurance in the area, and we Need a Tall mature marking pack crashing forward. Hille does this well. He's capable of playing and sharing these roles for Next year and the one after if required. IMO he would be a good fit, is a leader, and is tough.

If the Russian helped get us Win a great young Mid, the Idea would be I think help us build strength & would Help Mark earn well.

#Cook and Fitzy & Mcdonald, are all talents.

*Cooky could have played this year mid season then had some small issues & IMO was held back.

*Fitzy came along in Cookies absence, & did rerally well with his late season opportunities. Played AFL

*McDonald played a great season and appears a very level headed young man who reminds me of the Ox in some ways.

*Then there is Davis, a 3rd tall type with Versatility & composure who should push Early next year as well..

So next year we'll still be blooding players and trying to get games into our under 25 Yr group.

Trading will be important to get more mature bodies into our list around the 23- 25 age group.

We also need to supplement our Class mids with the Mini draft a great one Off Opportunity.

This Is the best year to trade, as others will also. We'll have to Bid strongly. This Years Trade Period could be Our 'Make IT', Off season.

BUT, I don't want to leave our Draft Pick Cupboard for 2012, Bare.

Clubs who have stopped Drafting and started Trading In, too soon to fill gaps, have often fallen short,,, for quality.

If your not saying get rid of jurrah then what are u saying?? Trading jurrah to gws is getting rid of him, isn't it??

Jurrahs role is to lead up to the ball carrier not break packs open, he just doesn't have the body to do that and never will!!

That's why we need a Dawes type, I believe jurrah will reep the awards of that, where the attention is not solely on jurrah!!

Yes I know we would all love that, too have gun like o"meara coming to our club, but too give up one of our best talents is just ridiculous!!

He will only get better and I see no reason to have worries about jurrah, from what I've heard is very comfortable in Melb and having wonnas come back will only benefit him.

I'm saying I'd like to keep Jurrah to try to witness his potential. But, IF the O'Meara deal swings on something like him, to get the deal over the line, I would rather O'Meara type than a Jurrah type. And I Would trade Jurrah to GWS, who would be a Hit in western Sydney. IMO Sheedy would love to get Liam.

And I would love to get O'Meara.

*I don't know why you mentioned Jurrah and pack busting, he's a flanker to me. and should be pushing through the midfield and pushing hard back deep. Hard running. But also competing and wrestling when needed. He has to put on Muscle as well.. He has a long way to go for winning finals Footy.

He is one who I don't think will be rugged, but needs to learn to get tougher.

*Dawes is Overvalued, and that is why collingwood has left his contract out and Open til last. He's a good ordinary footballer, not anything Extra Special.

*Best Talents: Jurrah is Not our best talent. Trenners and Watts & Howe & Gawn, & and maybe Gysberts poss', with maybe Bennell, & others which then include Jurrah. Jurrahs freakish, a bit of a sideshow atmo. The ball is in his hands to grow or not. Next year will show his endeavor.

No. Gawn is a No 1 ruck in learning, ahead of schedule. Martin is really a Follower who can shoulder some main ruck duties if he shares the duties around. Spencer would be also able to do some, If he comes back fine from his ACL. Limited AFL games next year, shares some work.

If we keep R Campbell, he's a capable quality No1 Ruck, he could do some work.

SO, What I am saying is, that we are growing and capable in the Ruck Talent, but need some Insurance in the area, and we Need a Tall mature marking pack crashing forward. Hille does this well. He's capable of playing and sharing these roles for Next year and the one after if required. IMO he would be a good fit, is a leader, and is tough.

If the Russian helped get us Win a great young Mid, the Idea would be I think help us build strength & would Help Mark earn well.

#Cook and Fitzy & Mcdonald, are all talents.

*Cooky could have played this year mid season then had some small issues & IMO was held back.

*Fitzy came along in Cookies absence, & did rerally well with his late season opportunities. Played AFL

*McDonald played a great season and appears a very level headed young man who reminds me of the Ox in some ways.

*Then there is Davis, a 3rd tall type with Versatility & composure who should push Early next year as well..

So next year we'll still be blooding players and trying to get games into our under 25 Yr group.

Trading will be important to get more mature bodies into our list around the 23- 25 age group.

We also need to supplement our Class mids with the Mini draft a great one Off Opportunity.

This Is the best year to trade, as others will also. We'll have to Bid strongly. This Years Trade Period could be Our 'Make IT', Off season.

BUT, I don't want to leave our Draft Pick Cupboard for 2012, Bare.

Clubs who have stopped Drafting and started Trading In, too soon to fill gaps, have often fallen short,,, for quality.

I'll begin by saying there is almost zero chance of us drafting Hille, no forget that, there is zero chance, no doubts at all.

Cook was struggling in he Casey reserves at the end of the year an Fitzy has played one game. Mcdonald will be a player, he has got some talent and more importantly he has drive, he wants to succeed. Of the three I reckon he will be the best.

Spencer will struggle next year most big players do after they have an acl so I don't know if he will play many games at Melbourne, I hope he does as he has a mean streak and is quite physical but it may be in a few years time.

Melbourne is a young side and we don't know who is going to play where at the moment, Grimes may play midfield, Blease may play wing, Tapscott may play forward, Strauss may not play at all. There are some who will not be there in two years time but at the moment we don't know who they are. What i'm saying is that you don't go out recruiting players for positions until you know who you need and what positions you need to fill. Neeld has said that there are gaps in our playing list but none of us know what those gaps are except him and a select few others.

We may find that the players we think are safe, Jurrah, Martin, Bennell, Jones etc may not be, Neeld may feel they are simply not good enough and don't fit in. He may look at players like Fitzy and Spencer and cut them, who knows.

We first have to assemble our best players for their best positions and then we go out and recruit to fill the gaps.

I'll begin by saying there is almost zero chance of us drafting Hille, no forget that, there is zero chance, no doubts at all.

Cook was struggling in he Casey reserves at the end of the year an Fitzy has played one game. Mcdonald will be a player, he has got some talent and more importantly he has drive, he wants to succeed. Of the three I reckon he will be the best.

Spencer will struggle next year most big players do after they have an acl so I don't know if he will play many games at Melbourne, I hope he does as he has a mean streak and is quite physical but it may be in a few years time.

Melbourne is a young side and we don't know who is going to play where at the moment, Grimes may play midfield, Blease may play wing, Tapscott may play forward, Strauss may not play at all. There are some who will not be there in two years time but at the moment we don't know who they are. What i'm saying is that you don't go out recruiting players for positions until you know who you need and what positions you need to fill. Neeld has said that there are gaps in our playing list but none of us know what those gaps are except him and a select few others.

We may find that the players we think are safe, Jurrah, Martin, Bennell, Jones etc may not be, Neeld may feel they are simply not good enough and don't fit in. He may look at players like Fitzy and Spencer and cut them, who knows.

We first have to assemble our best players for their best positions and then we go out and recruit to fill the gaps.

Well I think it's not a state secret that we lack a current power forward.

And we lack smarts and cohesion amongst our mids. As well as lacking physical size and strength.

Our defence lacks good clean disposal and hard working mods to help the defence bring the ball out.

I doubt Neeld will chop any young talent in his first year, accept the obvious battlers who struggle to Impose, but it' won't be up to Neeld as to which exact player goes, as others will be involved like Viney & Harrington.

It's not rocket science about personnel, who has talent & who is struggling.

And I here that we have been talking to the bombers about the weather, and the seagull plague.

I'm saying I'd like to keep Jurrah to try to witness his potential. But, IF the O'Meara deal swings on something like him, to get the deal over the line, I would rather O'Meara type than a Jurrah type. And I Would trade Jurrah to GWS, who would be a Hit in western Sydney. IMO Sheedy would love to get Liam.

And I would love to get O'Meara.

*I don't know why you mentioned Jurrah and pack busting, he's a flanker to me. and should be pushing through the midfield and pushing hard back deep. Hard running. But also competing and wrestling when needed. He has to put on Muscle as well.. He has a long way to go for winning finals Footy.

He is one who I don't think will be rugged, but needs to learn to get tougher.

*Dawes is Overvalued, and that is why collingwood has left his contract out and Open til last. He's a good ordinary footballer, not anything Extra Special.

*Best Talents: Jurrah is Not our best talent. Trenners and Watts & Howe & Gawn, & and maybe Gysberts poss', with maybe Bennell, & others which then include Jurrah. Jurrahs freakish, a bit of a sideshow atmo. The ball is in his hands to grow or not. Next year will show his endeavor.

Ok well I thought u meant in a marking contest that's why I come up with breaking packs, but that's ok I agree jurrah does tend to go missing at times but that also has to do with the way we play: our game plan did not suit any forward, at times our inside 50 were doubled by our opponents. So under MN with a new game plan you will see not only jurrah excel but our hole forward line!!

I would not let jurrah go at any cost he is one of few forwards at our club kicking multiple goals!! Find another way to get the deal across the line coz I guarantee you jurrah won't be on the table.

Dawes is exactly what we need a powerful Fwd that break packs open and brings the small fwds into the game, something we havnt had since neitz left!!

Wow he was the last to sign a contract behind swan, pendlebury, Thomas etc that's prob reasonable considering those players are A graders. I would have him in a heart beat.

And I would say jurrah almost posesses the most talent of any one on our list. He would be along way ahead of the middle pack, he would be in the top echelon!!

wow trading Liam that's a new one.. I really hope none of the MFC players read any of this...

Robbie F, I think you'll find that Cook was injured for a period at the end of the season.

Robbie F, I think you'll find that Cook was injured for a period at the end of the season.

Did his hip and missed last few games.

Ok well I thought u meant in a marking contest that's why I come up with breaking packs, but that's ok I agree jurrah does tend to go missing at times but that also has to do with the way we play: our game plan did not suit any forward, at times our inside 50 were doubled by our opponents. So under MN with a new game plan you will see not only jurrah excel but our hole forward line!!

I would not let jurrah go at any cost he is one of few forwards at our club kicking multiple goals!! Find another way to get the deal across the line coz I guarantee you jurrah won't be on the table.

Dawes is exactly what we need a powerful Fwd that break packs open and brings the small fwds into the game, something we havnt had since neitz left!!

Wow he was the last to sign a contract behind swan, pendlebury, Thomas etc that's prob reasonable considering those players are A graders. I would have him in a heart beat.

And I would say jurrah almost posesses the most talent of any one on our list. He would be along way ahead of the middle pack, he would be in the top echelon!!

I think you underestimate how hard finals footy is and how far back Jurrah is atmo, re the hardness required to play under physical intimidation. This is the cancer we at Melbourne have to eradicate, and Jurrah getting easy games without accountability, isn't teaching him anything. He's on track to be another soft one also.He has more natural intuitive talent than most AFL players, but that is nothing on it's own without physical strength and the strength to be able to perform under intimidation and rough & tough finals footy.

If he was at the Hawks with their leadership culture, he would be totally different to how he is with us.

as far as marking contests go, he has to compete when he is out of position or 1 out against 2, he has to make sure he flies to spoil so they don't get possession rather than just let them take away the easy ball. Punch it over the line.

when things are tough sometimes he does nothing.

On the other hand in a pack situation I think he should stay on the ground when we have good numbers at the contest with players positioned to contest the mark.

Occasionally if were in a good position with a pack, he could come over the top, but not all the time. He needs to learn to think, as much as he 'reacts' intuitively', so he can weighup the situation before reacting.

Anyway I think were in a better position with our forwards than we are with our Mids.

We've done well so far recently and I think Howe looks great & Watts is a beaut. Cook looks a find and I like Fitz. I like Lawrence.

We need mid class and bulk.

I think you underestimate how hard finals footy is and how far back Jurrah is atmo, re the hardness required to play under physical intimidation. This is the cancer we at Melbourne have to eradicate, and Jurrah getting easy games without accountability, isn't teaching him anything. He's on track to be another soft one also.He has more natural intuitive talent than most AFL players, but that is nothing on it's own without physical strength and the strength to be able to perform under intimidation and rough & tough finals footy.

If he was at the Hawks with their leadership culture, he would be totally different to how he is with us.

as far as marking contests go, he has to compete when he is out of position or 1 out against 2, he has to make sure he flies to spoil so they don't get possession rather than just let them take away the easy ball. Punch it over the line.

when things are tough sometimes he does nothing.

On the other hand in a pack situation I think he should stay on the ground when we have good numbers at the contest with players positioned to contest the mark.

Occasionally if were in a good position with a pack, he could come over the top, but not all the time. He needs to learn to think, as much as he 'reacts' intuitively', so he can weighup the situation before reacting.

Anyway I think were in a better position with our forwards than we are with our Mids.

We've done well so far recently and I think Howe looks great & Watts is a beaut. Cook looks a find and I like Fitz. I like Lawrence.

We need mid class and bulk.

I don't know if u are trying to mount a reasonable case or your joking.

For one I don't underestimate finals Footy and watching this year shows we have alot of ground to make up physically as a unit and also our ball use around the ground.

No.2 I don't think we know how 3 quarters of our team will go in finals Footy coz most of em havnt played finals Footy at afl level.

We all know jurrah lacks that defensive pressure u don't have to be Einstein to know that, but if that's his only fault that can easily be fixed by MN n LB.

Jurrahs strength is marking on the lead not in packs and this is where we fall apart without a KPF coz we are kicking the ball on jurrahs head n saying mark that and it's obvious so most of the time he will have more than one defender on him.

Btw I Like the look of our fwds too but the list looks alot better with jurrah in it than without him in it.

Btw give him some time to get his body physically ready this is only his 4th yr and 1 if those yrs he was injured for the majority.

Yes we need some quality mids but we need to trade/draft smartly and do it so it benefits MFC, not sure jurrah been traded would benefit us!!

Hopefully u wake up with a different opinion.

I don't know if u are trying to mount a reasonable case or your joking.

For one I don't underestimate finals Footy and watching this year shows we have alot of ground to make up physically as a unit and also our ball use around the ground.

No.2 I don't think we know how 3 quarters of our team will go in finals Footy coz most of em havnt played finals Footy at afl level.

We all know jurrah lacks that defensive pressure u don't have to be Einstein to know that, but if that's his only fault that can easily be fixed by MN n LB.

Jurrahs strength is marking on the lead not in packs and this is where we fall apart without a KPF coz we are kicking the ball on jurrahs head n saying mark that and it's obvious so most of the time he will have more than one defender on him.

Btw I Like the look of our fwds too but the list looks alot better with jurrah in it than without him in it.

Btw give him some time to get his body physically ready this is only his 4th yr and 1 if those yrs he was injured for the majority.

Yes we need some quality mids but we need to trade/draft smartly and do it so it benefits MFC, not sure jurrah been traded would benefit us!!

Hopefully u wake up with a different opinion.

It looks to me that Jurrah doesn't like to do the hard running and to build his 'tank' @ off field training. So IMO, Jurrah has all the skills but little of the dedication to the hard work required to become an AFL Elite player.

I think he's headed to be like Robbo.

It looks to me that Jurrah doesn't like to do the hard running and to build his 'tank' @ off field training. So IMO, Jurrah has all the skills but little of the dedication to the hard work required to become an AFL Elite player.

I think he's headed to be like Robbo.

Yeh let's trade him then. Jesus Christ