On 13/04/2011 at 06:23, dees189227 said:

I dismiss watts first 2 seasons because the 1st one he was still doing year 12 and then a another season to settle in.

Im sick of people putting the kid down. I know he will be a good player but fowards need development. Its because Nic Nat isnt doing much so the media think who can we compare Watts with next.

I will tell you another reason why I want Watts over Hurley. Watts would never assualt a taxi driver.

That is certainly true. Reading some of the tripe on here thought I think he'd be ready to strike someone.

  On 13/04/2011 at 11:26, J-Riv said:

I'd rather a player that has a mean streak about them and puts fear into the opposition than what we're getting at the moment.

I seriously cannot wait for how satisfying it will be in 2 years time, bringing up all these threads.

And once Watts breaks out, and becomes twice the player Hurley is, the guys who payed him out endlessly will say they've learnt their lesson, until the next unsuspecting teenager 'earns' their wrath haha.

Watch Watts go down in the same category as players written off to early- including Frawley, Garland, Bail, Sylvia from our team... and players from other teams including Dawes, Goddard etc. At least he'll be in good company.

  On 13/04/2011 at 11:36, sylvinator said:

I seriously cannot wait for how satisfying it will be in 2 years time, bringing up all these threads.

For someone who occasionally posts well that's a silly post. We all wish Watts well and hope he'll become a great. No-one would be disappointed and we've all seen the talent. I was an advocate of drafting him having seen him play live a number of times at the u18 champs.

He's coming from a long way back. Not so far back that he won't be a good player, but I'll be amazed if he becomes the star the club earmarked.

  On 13/04/2011 at 12:06, Hannabal said:

For someone who occasionally posts well that's a silly post. We all wish Watts well and hope he'll become a great. No-one would be disappointed and we've all seen the talent. I was an advocate of drafting him having seen him play live a number of times at the u18 champs.

He's coming from a long way back. Not so far back that he won't be a good player, but I'll be amazed if he becomes the star the club earmarked.

Hannabel I agree 100% I am just hoping for good player now!

  On 13/04/2011 at 09:03, Red Sox said:

Gerard Healy on 3AW suggested that MFC would be derelict in their duties if they didn't seek out Brereton, as a mentor for Watts.

He suggested that Watts talent was undeniable and that should he not make it, it would be a mark against the development team at MFC rather than the recruiting team. Again reiterating his call for MFC to call on Brereton.

Watts was being given a game on potential rather than form was also mentioned.

Spoke well on all fronts and it is obvious that someone like that is needed for Jack. Agreed with all he said.

Totally agree with this.

Get on to it Demons...Now is the time to bring in some mentoring.

That mark & goal in round 2 showed that Jack Watts can be a class act, he just needs to up his application.

I am still having nightmares about that pre season news article written on him and his "laconic" attitude to losing.

  On 14/04/2011 at 00:49, why you little said:

Totally agree with this.

Get on to it Demons...Now is the time to bring in some mentoring.

That mark & goal in round 2 showed that Jack Watts can be a class act, he just needs to up his application.

I am still having nightmares about that pre season news article written on him and his "laconic" attitude to losing.

what's he going to teach him? how to perm his hair and just be a tossbag in general

  On 13/04/2011 at 11:36, sylvinator said:

I seriously cannot wait for how satisfying it will be in 2 years time, bringing up all these threads.

And once Watts breaks out, and becomes twice the player Hurley is, the guys who payed him out endlessly will say they've learnt their lesson, until the next unsuspecting teenager 'earns' their wrath haha.

Watch Watts go down in the same category as players written off to early- including Frawley, Garland, Bail, Sylvia from our team... and players from other teams including Dawes, Goddard etc. At least he'll be in good company.

I am not prepared to write him "on" but you are 100% right on writing "off" and the players you mention ( except Col who still is hot and cold) really shows that you have to give players time to develop before making rash write off calls.

  On 14/04/2011 at 01:57, Curry & Beer said:

what's he going to teach him? how to perm his hair and just be a tossbag in general

One of the great influential forwards to play the game - smart footballer. As you mentioned about Malthouse - anyone who cant see that doesnt have a clue.

  On 14/04/2011 at 01:57, Curry & Beer said:

what's he going to teach him? how to perm his hair and just be a tossbag in general

Are you serious?? You obviously never saw the "kid" play. Sure i hated him, but only coz he was that good.

Watch the '89 Grand Final again before any further comments on here C & B.

Dermott would be a perfect mentor for Jack "Charlie" Watts.

  On 14/04/2011 at 02:15, nutbean said:

One of the great influential forwards to play the game - smart footballer. As you mentioned about Malthouse - anyone who cant see that doesnt have a clue.

I mentioned what about who?

Mentoring pfffft just sit down and have a nice chat with Derm and I'm sure he'll be as hard as nails and kicking bags in no time, what a joke

  On 14/04/2011 at 02:22, Curry & Beer said:

I mentioned what about who?

Mentoring pfffft just sit down and have a nice chat with Derm and I'm sure he'll be as hard as nails and kicking bags in no time, what a joke

You really do not have a clue if you believe what you have just written.

Astounding!!

The role of the right mentor as a coach (not just a chat) can be pivotal to so many careers in any situation.

  On 13/04/2011 at 04:29, Roost It said:

Will they play on each other at the Melb V Ess game?

I hope so

So do I.

Doubt it will happen though as I can't see Watts playing CHB.

  On 14/04/2011 at 02:22, Curry & Beer said:

I mentioned what about who?

Mentoring pfffft just sit down and have a nice chat with Derm and I'm sure he'll be as hard as nails and kicking bags in no time, what a joke

Apologies - it was roost it who made the malthouse comment - not you.

I still stand by the fact that if we are trying to develop JW as a CHF having Dermott mentor him on the niceties of the position would be a good thing. We have ruck coach, forward coach, midfield coach - to have one of the games great CHF's coach Jack could only help his development. ( and yes, he is a nob - but a fantastic footballer)

  On 14/04/2011 at 03:17, nutbean said:

Apologies - it was roost it who made the malthouse comment - not you.

I still stand by the fact that if we are trying to develop JW as a CHF having Dermott mentor him on the niceties of the position would be a good thing. We have ruck coach, forward coach, midfield coach - to have one of the games great CHF's coach Jack could only help his development. ( and yes, he is a nob - but a fantastic footballer)

just think that type of thing is garbage, he has coaches already, he knows he has to play with passion and play to get hurt if he is ever going to be any good. He doesn't need that [censored] pontificating at him, he ust needs to HTFU and sooner rather than later please

  On 14/04/2011 at 03:17, nutbean said:

Apologies - it was roost it who made the malthouse comment - not you.

I still stand by the fact that if we are trying to develop JW as a CHF having Dermott mentor him on the niceties of the position would be a good thing. We have ruck coach, forward coach, midfield coach - to have one of the games great CHF's coach Jack could only help his development. ( and yes, he is a nob - but a fantastic footballer)

I made that comment in another thread

Saying using Brereton as a mentor would be a waste of time is also showing no clue about football

  On 14/04/2011 at 04:10, Roost It said:

I made that comment in another thread

Saying using Brereton as a mentor would be a waste of time is also showing no clue about football

ok then since you clearly know the ins and outs of this discussion tell me exactly what is involved in a mentoring role, does Dermie put on the boots or what, do they have a few rounds in the ring?

load of shyte

Watts is the only one who can make Watts work

  On 14/04/2011 at 04:18, Curry & Beer said:

ok then since you clearly know the ins and outs of this discussion tell me exactly what is involved in a mentoring role, does Dermie put on the boots or what, do they have a few rounds in the ring?

load of shyte

Watts is the only one who can make Watts work

Centre Half Forward - the role he is being groomed for - is acknowledged as the hardest position on the ground to play. To get insight on positioning, running, timing of leads, how far to lead up and back - from one of the greats of the game is just adding some extra education into him - there is consensus from most that JW at times looks very lost. As an alternative I also wouldnt mind a certain ex player who wore the no 5 to offer his services. What is being suggested here is not revolutionary and has been done many times before. Interestingly that whilst mid,forwards and backs have a generic coach, the ruck coach is specialist to that position and always a ruckman. I can see benefits in having a champion key position forward teaching not only Watts but Cook as well ( and Dunn)

  On 14/04/2011 at 04:47, nutbean said:

Centre Half Forward - the role he is being groomed for - is acknowledged as the hardest position on the ground to play. To get insight on positioning, running, timing of leads, how far to lead up and back - from one of the greats of the game is just adding some extra education into him - there is consensus from most that JW at times looks very lost. As an alternative I also wouldnt mind a certain ex player who wore the no 5 to offer his services. What is being suggested here is not revolutionary and has been done many times before. Interestingly that whilst mid,forwards and backs have a generic coach, the ruck coach is specialist to that position and always a ruckman. I can see benefits in having a champion key position forward teaching not only Watts but Cook as well ( and Dunn)

when Dermie played CHF it was a completely different game, what information does he have for Watts over a latte

  On 13/04/2011 at 02:09, Robbie57 said:

Can we have a thread on Mark Robinson v Caroline Wilson.

I don't like Caro; I hardly ever read anything she writes ...

She still gets my vote ahead of the buffoon.

  On 14/04/2011 at 01:57, Curry & Beer said:

what's he going to teach him? how to perm his hair and just be a tossbag in general

I do like your counter argument though

Has someone not told you they love you enough of late? Your additions to some threads today are average.

the whole Dermie discussion is pretty far fetched IMO, so i can see why C&B is shrugging it off.

Firstly, for it to work Dermie would have to have some sort of reason to want to be Jack Watt's mentor and IMO it would need to be more than just cash (which Im guessing he has enough of to keep him happy). For dermie to really be the mentor that people are talking about he'd need to spend alot of time with Watts, and would need to persist with him for a couple of years id say. Cant see why Dermie would bother with all that effort? He'd be asked about the process and JW's progress on every pannel that he sat on in the various TV programs, and what if Watts showed no improvement? Plus Dermie being a natural footballer doesnt equate to him being able to teach it to others

Secondly, what kind of a slap in the face would it be to the current coaching group & support staff at the club? It would be an admission that our own coaching staff arent good enough to extract the talent from a number #1 draft pick?

Thirdly, if Watts needed such a level of coaching/mentoring where the team of coaches, support staff and past players are not enough then he either doesnt have the talent we think he does, or he doesnt give a crap about footy. I think the club would be better served getting the Ox, Neita or another one of our great forwards to "mentor" him, if infact it is even requried.

  On 14/04/2011 at 04:59, Red Sox said:

I do like your counter argument though

Has someone not told you they love you enough of late? Your additions to some threads today are average.

yeah thanks buddy, I am sure everyone is very interested in your critique of another posters' posts and that's what makes your contributions so valuable

  On 14/04/2011 at 05:08, DemonWA said:

the whole Dermie discussion is pretty far fetched IMO, so i can see why C&B is shrugging it off.

Firstly, for it to work Dermie would have to have some sort of reason to want to be Jack Watt's mentor and IMO it would need to be more than just cash (which Im guessing he has enough of to keep him happy). For dermie to really be the mentor that people are talking about he'd need to spend alot of time with Watts, and would need to persist with him for a couple of years id say. Cant see why Dermie would bother with all that effort? He'd be asked about the process and JW's progress on every pannel that he sat on in the various TV programs, and what if Watts showed no improvement? Plus Dermie being a natural footballer doesnt equate to him being able to teach it to others

Secondly, what kind of a slap in the face would it be to the current coaching group & support staff at the club? It would be an admission that our own coaching staff arent good enough to extract the talent from a number #1 draft pick?

Thirdly, if Watts needed such a level of coaching/mentoring where the team of coaches, support staff and past players are not enough then he either doesnt have the talent we think he does, or he doesnt give a crap about footy. I think the club would be better served getting the Ox, Neita or another one of our great forwards to "mentor" him, if infact it is even requried.

thank you

thats what I meant

  On 14/04/2011 at 05:08, DemonWA said:

the whole Dermie discussion is pretty far fetched IMO, so i can see why C&B is shrugging it off.

Firstly, for it to work Dermie would have to have some sort of reason to want to be Jack Watt's mentor and IMO it would need to be more than just cash (which Im guessing he has enough of to keep him happy). For dermie to really be the mentor that people are talking about he'd need to spend alot of time with Watts, and would need to persist with him for a couple of years id say. Cant see why Dermie would bother with all that effort? He'd be asked about the process and JW's progress on every pannel that he sat on in the various TV programs, and what if Watts showed no improvement? Plus Dermie being a natural footballer doesnt equate to him being able to teach it to others

Secondly, what kind of a slap in the face would it be to the current coaching group & support staff at the club? It would be an admission that our own coaching staff arent good enough to extract the talent from a number #1 draft pick?

Thirdly, if Watts needed such a level of coaching/mentoring where the team of coaches, support staff and past players are not enough then he either doesnt have the talent we think he does, or he doesnt give a crap about footy. I think the club would be better served getting the Ox, Neita or another one of our great forwards to "mentor" him, if infact it is even requried.

A well made point that is very wrong.

If you've read recently at all you may have noticed the Jobe Watson/Greg Williams story.

Was that a slap in the face of any kind to any coaching group? Hardly, Williams was able to offer further expertise in an area he excelled.

As could Dermott, or someone else of similar quality on the field. A Kernahan might be good for Jack as he has a similar frame.

But no, lets just continue to look within and only employ those that have worn red & blue. Surely your not serious with that comment?

Certainly some benefit from Ox and Neita could be appropriate but I'd like to see a voice outside the club. Someone that knows success inside out.

  On 14/04/2011 at 05:27, Curry & Beer said:

yeah thanks buddy, I am sure everyone is very interested in your critique of another posters' posts and that's what makes your contributions so valuable

I was only responding to your average comment, not the entire population.

But continue to allow others to get the words out for you if that is how you choose. I'll remember to pay scant regard in future.