It's funny how one goal can make a difference.

Lets say Petterd took that mark in RD 2 in that 1 pt loss to Collingwood, or the umpires had not of worn pink in that 4 pt loss to the Dogs. Then there's the draw to the Pies RD 12. And if Watts or Dunn kicked straight against Freo in those dying minutes.

All of a sudden we are 9 wins and in the top eight (beating top 4 teams). I take back my earlier statement that we have not improved this year.

Cant wait for next year. We have to have a solid injury free pre-season and it's game on!

For the rest of the 2010 season. Please give us better starts to gain at least 3 wins!

Go Dees 2011.

6 games left. 4 at the MCG and two trips to play current bottom 4 sides.

If we win 3 or more games then we can start with the could of should of would of. But for now I think we just have to look at it as a year where we still have massive deficiencies but are also starting to build something.

If you are going to get into 'what if's' did you include the what if's of the opposition easy misses.

If you are going to get into 'what if's' did you include the what if's of the opposition easy misses.

I assume you're referring to the draw where Collingwood kicked 9.22. We pushed them wide to the boundary.

Let's say Heath Shaw was penalised for HTB in our 50 in Round 2, the umpires paid Green's goal in Round 7 and Travis Cloke was penalised for HTB in our 50 in Round 12. That's at least 6 points for the first two games (depending on a goal or behind for the first one). Maybe four more if we had capitalised on that Cloke tackle. Maybe another four if the Dockers were penalised for faking from what I heard. And another four if we didn't lose to West Coast, or the Kangaroos.

All the what ifs doesn't change anything.

Nothing against you particularly, d me...

But F%#K me I'm sick of these stupid threads/posts!

We lost those games. We didn't win. There IS no "if we only..."

EVERY team has a few close ones. You don't play 22 games in a year, have maybe 6-8 of them be close ones, and WIN EVERY ONE!

You always break even, or maybe get a bit a head, or a bit behind. This year we've had Pies X2, Port, Dogs, The Freo one... and you could argue the win against the Crows was only in the last 10 minutes or so. Out of 5 games, we won 1, drew another and lost 3. That's not outrageous.

Furthermore, even if we DID get up in all 5 (6), we would be hearing the OPPOSITE of this. That as good as the dees are, we won 5 of our games by less than a kick!

We lost those games. MAYBE we didn't deserve to lose them, but we NEVER deserved to win them. If we did, we'd be on 9-7...

What I want to see is for us to be a 5-goal-a-week better side. That way we win these ones, and start pushing the teams like the Blues and Roos harder.

I don't mind winning games against top sides by a kick or less it's when we beat sides below us by less than a kick I worry. I also worry when we get so close but just can't close the deal; we just couldn't get in front today and who knows what would have happened if we did. There may be some sort of mental barrier there but we should have beaten either Collingwood or the Bulldogs in one of the games, we just seem to lack that mental toughness to win the close ones.

Two games to come will show how well the team has improved this season, Rd 20 V Hawks and Rd 22 Vs North. Gotta show we are gaining on those teams that flogged us earlier in the year...

Two games to come will show how well the team has improved this season, Rd 20 V Hawks and Rd 22 Vs North. Gotta show we are gaining on those teams that flogged us earlier in the year...

Exactly! Hawks and Roos we need to stand up. They dominate us! Both at the G so no excuses.

Nothing against you particularly, d me...

But F%#K me I'm sick of these stupid threads/posts!

We lost those games. We didn't win. There IS no "if we only..."

EVERY team has a few close ones. You don't play 22 games in a year, have maybe 6-8 of them be close ones, and WIN EVERY ONE!

You always break even, or maybe get a bit a head, or a bit behind. This year we've had Pies X2, Port, Dogs, The Freo one... and you could argue the win against the Crows was only in the last 10 minutes or so. Out of 5 games, we won 1, drew another and lost 3. That's not outrageous.

Furthermore, even if we DID get up in all 5 (6), we would be hearing the OPPOSITE of this. That as good as the dees are, we won 5 of our games by less than a kick!

We lost those games. MAYBE we didn't deserve to lose them, but we NEVER deserved to win them. If we did, we'd be on 9-7...

What I want to see is for us to be a 5-goal-a-week better side. That way we win these ones, and start pushing the teams like the Blues and Roos harder.

Thank you Dappa Dan you have hit it for me.

There is only one thing that matters " winning"

All the rest is just prattle.

We have 5.5 wins from 16 games that is our postion no more no less.

Just not good enough!

This time next year it needs to be 10 wins from 16.

And if that Port player hadn't have stepped over the line, we could have been on equal points with the teams 12-15 with 4 wins and 2 draws (we'd still be 11th)!