So does this not go to an argument that its not wholly teh nature or character of the young impressionable player but as much the natureand quality of the clubs attention to mentoring and personal development ? i.e you might be able to take a semi roughie and polish him ?

I think part of the problem with Carey is that he was polished too often and by the wrong people

I think part of the problem with Carey is that he was polished too often and by the wrong people

lol

So does this not go to an argument that its not wholly teh nature or character of the young impressionable player but as much the natureand quality of the clubs attention to mentoring and personal development ? i.e you might be able to take a semi roughie and polish him ?

No.

I think part of the problem with Carey is that he was polished too often and by the wrong people

Indeed.

So there is talk about the draft already, which I admit will be quite interesting. I'm just curious do the other clubs put as much emphasis on the draft as Melbourne? Richmond have been a rubbish team for quite a while, do they talk year in year out about their draft picks? (I haven't actually perused any Richmond Fan sites.... Are there any?)

"But in terms of our ladder position at the moment, if that was to be maintained, we would have a top 12 pick. If you have a top 12 pick in any draft - that’s a good result."

--- I'd prefer to win a few more games this year and get a later pick to be honest.

So there is talk about the draft already, which I admit will be quite interesting. I'm just curious do the other clubs put as much emphasis on the draft as Melbourne? Richmond have been a rubbish team for quite a while, do they talk year in year out about their draft picks? (I haven't actually perused any Richmond Fan sites.... Are there any?)

"But in terms of our ladder position at the moment, if that was to be maintained, we would have a top 12 pick. If you have a top 12 pick in any draft - that’s a good result."

--- I'd prefer to win a few more games this year and get a later pick to be honest.

Always preferable to win but have to be realistic also.

Our list still needs some additions. I think the consensus here would be through the draft thus the discussions.

Jack was expelled from Sacred Heart College. Didn't graduate. He was expelled for a drunken sex romp on camp. The sex romp involved 2 other guys including himself and a female. I don't want a Stevie Milne please

Jack was expelled from Sacred Heart College. Didn't graduate. He was expelled for a drunken sex romp on camp. The sex romp involved 2 other guys including himself and a female. I don't want a Stevie Milne please

Well at least he's a team player.

Jack was expelled from Sacred Heart College. Didn't graduate. He was expelled for a drunken sex romp on camp. The sex romp involved 2 other guys including himself and a female. I don't want a Stevie Milne please

God Catholic boy!

Just on this character side of things, what would people rather. A player with great character but turns out to be just a good player. Or, a nutcase but a nutcase who can lead your team to a flag and kick 70+ a year?

I have had this argument with mates before with some saying they'd prefer the clean cut guy who is good for the club, but then others want the flawed genius who can win the big games. I prefer the flawed genius, obviously the flaws cannot be too bad, I guess the better they are the more you seem to be willing to accept.

If this kid got kicked out of school, who cares, if he is going to run amok most weeks, being the focal point up forward that we desperately need, then I will welcome him, up until he sleeps with half the teams partners, then he can go, but hopefully he has won us a few flags before that happens. Just like Carey

Just on this character side of things, what would people rather. A player with great character but turns out to be just a good player. Or, a nutcase but a nutcase who can lead your team to a flag and kick 70+ a year?

I have had this argument with mates before with some saying they'd prefer the clean cut guy who is good for the club, but then others want the flawed genius who can win the big games. I prefer the flawed genius, obviously the flaws cannot be too bad, I guess the better they are the more you seem to be willing to accept.

If this kid got kicked out of school, who cares, if he is going to run amok most weeks, being the focal point up forward that we desperately need, then I will welcome him, up until he sleeps with half the teams partners, then he can go, but hopefully he has won us a few flags before that happens. Just like Carey

Ablett(Snr), Dermie, Carey, McLeod, Modra, Cousins, Hall - would love a bit of that talent.

Just on this character side of things, what would people rather. A player with great character but turns out to be just a good player. Or, a nutcase but a nutcase who can lead your team to a flag and kick 70+ a year?

I have had this argument with mates before with some saying they'd prefer the clean cut guy who is good for the club, but then others want the flawed genius who can win the big games. I prefer the flawed genius, obviously the flaws cannot be too bad, I guess the better they are the more you seem to be willing to accept.

If this kid got kicked out of school, who cares, if he is going to run amok most weeks, being the focal point up forward that we desperately need, then I will welcome him, up until he sleeps with half the teams partners, then he can go, but hopefully he has won us a few flags before that happens. Just like Carey

I'd take Buddy. But not Fev. I'd take McClure over Carey, if you get me. One was an media monolith, the other a very effective key forward, both matchwinners, but one, a one man forwardline & the other a real team player.

Darling's only 190cm. Is that really a 'tall'?? Does anybody here consider Cam Bruce as a 'tall'??

190cm now at 17...he'll add 3 to 5 cms to that by 20

Or, a nutcase but a nutcase who can lead your team to a flag and kick 70+ a year?

If this kid got kicked out of school, who cares, if he is going to run amok most weeks, being the focal point up forward that we desperately need, then I will welcome him, up until he sleeps with half the teams partners, then he can go, but hopefully he has won us a few flags before that happens. Just like Carey

I cant think of a "nutcase" that has fulfilled that role. Geelong had Ablett senior and missed on 4 GFs.

So for the kid kicked out of school you might want to work what his problem before saying his issues dont matter.

190cm now at 17...he'll add 3 to 5 cms to that by 20

Oh good. Well I'm glad that's settled. I hadn't previously realised that everyone grew 3-5cm between 17-20.

Hey man, you can't argue with that... It's science.

I can only see the dees using 3 picks this upcoming draft, so I would expect they would be selecting the best available at each spot instead of drafting for a specific need.

Talls are always the sought after, but in all honesty I think the emergence of Jamar and the drafting of Gawn/Fitzpatrick may have addressed this issue for the short term. They may select a heap of talls via the rookie draft ala Jake Spencer (who most likely will be retained on the list next season to further address this need), but the other 3 picks in the ND will be the best available talent.

U18's wrap up from BP

Probably doesnt say a lot of anything new other than as I read it there will indeed be some pickings for clubs other than GC and GWS with Barry noting theres a little more depth than originally suggested. A good chance to selectively top up.