Because St Kilda and Geelong had, what, 38 wins all up? That's out of 88 total wins for the season. That meant wins came by less often which means there were less to go around.

12 wins will pretty much guarantee you finals. We won't win 8 more.

Thats good you have come down from 10 more wins to 8 you are starting to see the light.

mathematically it is 7 and a half for 12 it keeps getting better.

Thats good you have come down from 10 more wins to 8 you are starting to see the light.

mathematically it is 7 and a half for 12 it keeps getting better.

Re-read my post. We WILL NOT win 8 more games this season.

Here, I'll prove it:

Round 13: ADELAIDE - WIN

Round 14: ST KILDA - LOSS

Round 15: ESSENDON - WIN

Round 16: FREMANTLE - LOSS

Round 17: SYDNEY SWANS - WIN

Round 18: BRISBANE LIONS - WIN

Round 19: RICHMOND - WIN

Round 20: HAWTHORN - LOSS

Round 21: PORT ADELAIDE - LOSS

Round 22: NORTH MELBOURNE - WIN

That's me being pretty damn optimistic. I counted six.

Re-read my post. We WILL NOT win 8 more games this season.

Here, I'll prove it:

Round 13: ADELAIDE - WIN

Round 14: ST KILDA - LOSS

Round 15: ESSENDON - WIN

Round 16: FREMANTLE - LOSS

Round 17: SYDNEY SWANS - WIN

Round 18: BRISBANE LIONS - WIN

Round 19: RICHMOND - WIN

Round 20: HAWTHORN - LOSS

Round 21: PORT ADELAIDE - LOSS

Round 22: NORTH MELBOURNE - WIN

That's me being pretty damn optimistic. I counted six.

That would give us 10 and a half gee essendon made it with 10 umm.

That means we could make it umm.

It's getting increasingly harder and I doubt we are much show now but that may not be a bad thing, it would be a disaster if we made it and got creamed the first week.

Most of our young kids are looking a bit tired and it wouldn't surprise me if our performances are a little erratic over the last 10 weeks.

It's getting increasingly harder and I doubt we are much show now but that may not be a bad thing, it would be a disaster if we made it and got creamed the first week.

Most of our young kids are looking a bit tired and it wouldn't surprise me if our performances are a little erratic over the last 10 weeks.

They didn't look too tired on the Queens Birthday. We must stop this "Soft" approach. We have to start not accepting losses or we shall never rise beyond mediocraty.

They didn't look too tired on the Queens Birthday. We must stop this "Soft" approach. We have to start not accepting losses or we shall never rise beyond mediocraty.

Thankyou that is very positive

That would give us 10 and a half gee essendon made it with 10 umm.

That means we could make it umm.

Try reading every single word of all of my posts.

Try reading every single word of all of my posts.

Likewise

Likewise

I have been. The league's much more balanced this year compared to last year. 12 wins guarantees you finals and we won't get 12 wins.

How many times have I said that?

There is no way we will make the 8 this year. Next year we are a decent chance if things fall our way, but this year we are going for upper half of the bottom 8. If we manage that I'll be thrilled.

There is no way we will make the 8 this year. Next year we are a decent chance if things fall our way, but this year we are going for upper half of the bottom 8. If we manage that I'll be thrilled.

Well, we've already proven better than Port Adelaide, Brisbane, Richmond and Adelaide, so we should be right for 12th or higher

Re-read my post. We WILL NOT win 8 more games this season.

Here, I'll prove it:

Round 13: ADELAIDE - WIN

Round 14: ST KILDA - LOSS

Round 15: ESSENDON - WIN

Round 16: FREMANTLE - LOSS

Round 17: SYDNEY SWANS - WIN

Round 18: BRISBANE LIONS - WIN

Round 19: RICHMOND - WIN

Round 20: HAWTHORN - LOSS

Round 21: PORT ADELAIDE - LOSS

Round 22: NORTH MELBOURNE - WIN

That's me being pretty damn optimistic. I counted six.

I'd be more than happy with that, but I don't think we'll beat Adelaide. After we go to Perth, though, every game from there on is winnable. We can beat Sydney, Richmond, Hawthorn (maybe) and North at the G, and we can beat Brisbane in Brisbane and Port in Adelaide. So I reckon those 6 weeks could be quite enjoyable.

That would give us 10 and a half gee essendon made it with 10 umm.

That means we could make it umm.

Currently Hawthorn is 8th with 7 wins. For us to make the 8 on 10.5 they would have to win no more than 3 games for the rest of the year. North Melbourne as well.

That's not going to happen, so you can let go the fantasy of us making the finals on 10.5. eth38 has explained how Essendon getting there last year was an anomaly.

I still think we are in line for 3 to 4 more wins.

Adelaide, Brisbane, Richmond and one of Dons, North, Swans.

Anything above that is a very good outcome.

From an optimistic point of view, I think we have a realistic chance in all the remaining games other than Freo and St K. I still think the Hawks (sans Buddy) and Port are beatable

While I dont think 12 wins guarantees you a final spot it gives you a damn good shot at. If that is to happen will MFC get 12.5 wins? Either way unless we have the 6 wins mentioned earlier and a generous finals outcome on qualifying for the 8, I dont think we will have September action.

We must always aim high and strive to be the best- agreed.

However,

I simply do not see us winning enough games.

Yes we should win another 3 or 4 giving us 8 and a half. Will we win any more than that, i doubt it for the simple fact that this young team has shown that it will still be up and down. See the games against Kangas and WC as good examples. Games we thought we should win. Perhaps the players did too and we were off.

They will win some that perhaps they weren't expected too or were only 50/50. They will lose a couple that they won't in future years. The nature of the beast.

As long as we see continued development. Continued game time into our young nucleus and that risk taking corridor game style coupled with 3 to 4 more wins, then i think we will all call the season a successful step in the right direction.

Be realistic with your predictions and goals, cheer hard and watch this young team develop.

We're still too inconsistent to be able to predict where we will finish & how many games we will win. After the Brisbane win, I couldn't see us losing another game all year. However, we lost winnable games since then & our starts have been poor.

Some excellent highlights during recent games has shown plenty of optimism for the future but, until then I will be very happy if we win another 4.

can people stop arguing like an old married couple? you're allowed to be optimistic... yes we can make the eight, but will we? very unlikely.

kthxbai

Next year, yes.

Well i am not negative red bullus but i think just missing the 8 would be preety good.

Next year, yes.

Speaking of next year, there'll be pressure on us to make it for sure. I know this isn't a thread about 2011, but it raises that point.

Bailey sai 4 wins in 2009 + 50% = 6 wins in 2010 + 50% = 9 wins in 2011...

9 wins in 2011? Surely his target has changed since then.

Would his job be under pressure? Probably not. But the natives would be restless if we didn't at least get 11 or more.

Gonna be an interesting one.

Speaking of next year, there'll be pressure on us to make it for sure. I know this isn't a thread about 2011, but it raises that point.

Bailey sai 4 wins in 2009 + 50% = 6 wins in 2010 + 50% = 9 wins in 2011...

9 wins in 2011? Surely his target has changed since then.

Would his job be under pressure? Probably not. But the natives would be restless if we didn't at least get 11 or more.

Gonna be an interesting one.

I'd say bottom range expectation figures.

Geelong

St_Kilda

Collingwood

Fremantle

W_Bulldogs

Carlton

Sydney

Hawthorn

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Kangaroos

Essendon

Brisbane

P_Adelaide

Melbourne

W_Coast

Adelaide

Richmond

Here is the current ladder positions. who do we expect to slide next year,,, & who would you think could climb next year? Leaving ourselves out of the picture, lets be realistic about the others.

Well I guess that tonight's effort by Richmond puts us firmly in line for the spoon again so any pretensions of top eight are well and truly gone. If we don't win tomorrow we are firmly in second last position and in danger of sliding to the bottom again.

There will be questions asked if this happens.

Well I guess that tonight's effort by Richmond puts us firmly in line for the spoon again so any pretensions of top eight are well and truly gone. If we don't win tomorrow we are firmly in second last position and in danger of sliding to the bottom again.

There will be questions asked if this happens.

We're still a game and a half clear of West Coast at least, depending on what happens tomorrow

Well I guess that tonight's effort by Richmond puts us firmly in line for the spoon again so any pretensions of top eight are well and truly gone. If we don't win tomorrow we are firmly in second last position and in danger of sliding to the bottom again.

There will be questions asked if this happens.

But if we DO win tomorrow we jump from 15 to 11. Massive game for us.

But if we DO win tomorrow we jump from 15 to 11. Massive game for us.

if we dont we stay 15th

UNDER RICHMOND

how bad!

im not looking forward to versing them

is tomorrow's game a confidence booster or a confidence breaker sort of game?

is tomorrow's game a confidence booster or a confidence breaker sort of game?

What it is is a good indication where the teams head is at. If we are beaten in a hard fought game then so be it but if we roll over like we did against Adelaide or WCE then we are a lot further away from being the team we expected at the start of the year.