and you cant just drop a player for one skill which he isnt the BEST at.

Lance franklin and simon black have one of the worst CLANGERS to Disposals ratio's in the AFL.

I thought I would have a look at Jones compared to Black and after looking at his stats agree I am being too harsh on Jones. His disposal rate and effectiveness of disposal the 3 weeks prior were all good. His kick to handball ratio was well up against the Hawks which I believe is his issue. He should be given the opportunity to prove last week was just a bad week and play to his strengths of handballing to a first option.

At 21 Jones has his best footy ahead of him. His work ethic seems fantastic and I believe he has a real thirst to improve. I'd persist with him as I think there's still alot of upside to his game. He needs to work on using his hips better to shake more tackles. He's often caught in a very upright position which gives him little chance to use the strength in his legs and hips to bust out of a tackle. This will improve with experience. Would need to play alot worse to be dropped.

RPFC, you have misunderstood my point. Age should not be considered when reviewing a players individual performance on a given day. Age is an imperative along with many other factors when comparing players for team selection.

This really comes to the question as to where will Jones best develop/improve on his deficiencies, that being disposal and decision making. I do not believe that he is best placed to improve this against the best pressuring side in the competition. I can understand how other may disagree.

Maybe for Bluey voting age doesn't matter, but why rate anyone if it doesn't affect their place in the side for next week?

Age matters, and in our position, it matters more.

I thought I would have a look at Jones compared to Black and after looking at his stats agree I am being too harsh on Jones. His disposal rate and effectiveness of disposal the 3 weeks prior were all good. His kick to handball ratio was well up against the Hawks which I believe is his issue. He should be given the opportunity to prove last week was just a bad week and play to his strengths of handballing to a first option.

Bloooody hell!!!! You now say we have read all this rubbish for nothing?That will be a relief to young Nathan, the fact that a great judge has changed his mind!

Where we were KILLED last match was in tactics in the centre at ball-ups. No-one seemed to have the faintest idea as to how to stop the ball being tapped out the back by Hawthorn rucks, directly into the path of a runner such as Mitchell. And the same happened the previous week.Hopefully that can be addressed by Jamar's inclusion, although I don't think it was P.J's fault

FYI, i really like nathan jones and i think he will be a ripper player in years to come. i am just saying that when you continuously keep turning the pill over you need to do something about it. i.e. robbo getting dropped for his lairising

Whilst I'll admit he turned it over a couple of times last week and gets caught once or twice a game, he's still a valuable member of the squad going forward. There's no doubt he needs to improve his decision-making, but I think the coaching stuff and Jonesy himself realised this and attempted to work on it over the pre-season. It paid off early this season, but he has slipped up a little bit recently. That said, he's a ball magnet. In a top team, he'll be Sewell-esque, just as Brock will be.

love the guy, but i bet he holds the record for holding the ball this year!

Sure Jones has some areas of his game he needs to improve, kciking being one of them. But I see him as an invaluable member of the team.

Does anyone else see the irony of a poster called 'Bruce Almighty' calling for a 21 y.o. to be dropped for turning the ball over, focusing on his kicking???

I thought his last 2 weeks against the Bulldogs and Eagles were very good and he used the ball quite well,but against the Hawks he was back to his worst I can't even remember him hitting a target he was just as bad against Adelaide. Once he starts turning the ball over he just doesn't stop, he has the ability to use the ball well like his games against the dogs and Eagles he just has to show some consistancy with using the ball if he doesn't he will struggle to stay in the team in the future. There are other players who should be getting dropped before him.

and you cant just drop a player for one skill which he isnt the BEST at.

Lance franklin and simon black have one of the worst CLANGERS to Disposals ratio's in the AFL.

He better start getting a heap of clearences or kick a heap of goals then.

When we play finals again (if?), Jones will not be there.

We will only play finals if we have mids (much) better than him.

When we play finals again (if?), Jones will not be there.

We will only play finals if we have mids (much) better than him.

Nah, he'll be there.

He needs to do some work, but there is a lot to work with.

He just isn't coming on as well as he should be IMO. I don't want to have a go at him for his kicking but I just wonder at times if he is even focusing. In front of goals anything greater than a 20 degree angle and he just holds the ball almost side ways and kicks and hopes. You have to at least focus when going for goal. I just have some major concerns over our midfield in general, we are in some serious trouble if we don't get some quality in there next year. No elite runners, no elite ball users, no supporting each other.

Nah, he'll be there.

He needs to do some work, but there is a lot to work with.

What .... slow, poor decision making, poor delivery, terrible kicking action .... not to mention his weight problem.

He finds the ball alot, I know ... that's not nearly enough.

Who didnt turn the ball over tonight ? everyone including the Saints

FYI, i really like nathan jones and i think he will be a ripper player in years to come. i am just saying that when you continuously keep turning the pill over you need to do something about it. i.e. robbo getting dropped for his lairising

Cant believe what im hearing. Jones is with out a doubt in our best 22 and will be a crucial player in years ahead as he continues to improvement and learn to beat the hard tag.

As for the turnovers, they're not a concern bc you want a player like Jones to continue taking on defenders.

This post bothers me bc there is a host of MFC players that severely need a kick up the *&$# and Jones isnt 1 of em!

Will be BOG against The Filth. I hope his Dad has a quiet word in his ear before he runs out on the G reminding him of what their scum supporters did to him last time we met!