The Meese

[Einstein 1]

Terrible news for the Meese if true.

And for the club. Damn these injuries.

Was liking the way he was going about it.

Will wait for the official word before sinking into a pit of despair.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

curious ..source ? Thought he came here on a 2 year deal

I cant give a name but the person is close to the Club and a reliable authority.

Make of it what you will.

I was prepared to bet another poster here a notable contribution to MFC if Meesen were to continue on his existing contract at year end. And I dont like to give easy money away. B)

[dee-luded 2,959]

No rumour... 100% true.

He has been carrying the stress fracture since late last season... hence not playing in the pre season.

He is shattered.

Thats crazy if true, that the medics & footy dept would knowingly let him play with that injury.

[Guest petjud]

Thats crazy if true, that the medics & footy dept would knowingly let him play with that injury.

I was actually going to make the same point earlier but was told to pull my head in so I did........still would like to see it official.....too many holes in the FACTS

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Thats crazy if true, that the medics & footy dept would knowingly let him play with that injury.

There are varying degrees of injuries. While it is a stress fracture now it may have been a lesser injury before. He could have aggravated it against Geelong.

[Guest petjud]

There are varying degrees of injuries. While it is a stress fracture now it may have been a lesser injury before. He could have aggravated it against Geelong.

there is no lesser stress fracture, it either is or isn't, running on it everyday would have told him something was wrong......I have had one in the foot, and it is like you have a large stone in your shoe, it is very uncomfortable, it doesn't get any worse....and it doesn't get any better.........hence Garland felt discomfort straight away and reported it....agree with the poster either Meesen lied to the staff or he has only just done it........seems to be jumping ok in the ruck for somebody with a stress fracture in the foot for a while....head back in

[71 Molloy 266]

there is no lesser stress fracture, it either is or isn't, running on it everyday would have told him something was wrong.

I believe MRI's can pick up hot spots which are a hard sign for developing stress fractures.

I would be absolutely amazed he had not been scanned previously. I would be even more amazed if he continued to play with medical staffs blessing if there was any signs of stress fractures developing.

Something about this doesn't add up.

[the_russian 17]

Thats crazy if true, that the medics & footy dept would knowingly let him play with that injury.

Yeah, it's not like we're Richmond or anything

[Guest petjud]

Yeah, it's not like we're Richmond or anything

That is a completely differernt scenario, Richo, would assume if we was tied to treatment table you would see him trying to untangle it from the banner as he ran on the field.......this post is now a few hours old and nothing on the MFC site.....it is not a weekend and I am sure they have a few board readers......they would confirm if true to stop all this

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

....Maybe if we actually had the facts surrounding this rather than jumping to uninformed conclusions

[Kit Walker 225]

So..........

Is he injured yet?

[the_insider 0]

I wish they would come out and say it already to show you guys that im not lying.....

I am extremely close to Meesen and can tell you with 100% accuracy thats its no lie!

[Guest petjud]

I wish they would come out and say it already to show you guys that im not lying.....

I am extremely close to Meesen and can tell you with 100% accuracy thats its no lie!

If you are so close to Meesen who has been at the club for two years, why did you only join Demonland today as the bringer of bad news.....this is really beginning to acquire a stench.......I will be the first to apologise if you proved correct.

[dee-luded 2,959]

I believe MRI's can pick up hot spots which are a hard sign for developing stress fractures.

I would be absolutely amazed he had not been scanned previously. I would be even more amazed if he continued to play with medical staffs blessing if there was any signs of stress fractures developing.

Something about this doesn't add up.

Yeah, I had a hotspot show up over the site of an old break in the Tibia years back as I was getting pretty fit & considering playing footy again.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Has there been any confirmation in the Media yet?

Sad to loose Meesen, as people have said he had showed real promise in 4 games, he looked like he had the potential to become an elite Ruckman.

I'd rather keep Martin down back and give Spencer a go (if avalible). I thought Spencer looked great and was unlucky to be out of the team, and it'll give him a good go at rucking.

[dee-luded 2,959]

I wish they would come out and say it already to show you guys that im not lying.....

I am extremely close to Meesen and can tell you with 100% accuracy thats its no lie!

Is this the end of his football carreer Insider?

[deanox 9,896]

He did a full pre season, so that is tripe for a start, and you cant play with a stress fracture for so long, it gets too sore, ask Colin Garland or Mathew Egan.....especially when you carrying 100Kgs on it...

not true at all, i nursed my way through a season with grade 2 stress fractures in one shin from about round 4-5. it is hard to train, and there is a lot of pain but it can be done.

you're not 100% though.

[Jaded No More 68,855]

Is this the end of his football carreer Insider?

I would say that if it is, he was gone even before the injury.

He is still very young for a ruckman, so if the club believes he is worth persisting with, they will keep him on. Stress fractures, while they take a while to heal, are not untreatable.

Given that he is contracted until the end of 2010, I can't see the club paying out his contract and delisting him. For one, we can't afford to do that, and secondly the competition for his position is about as weak as it gets. Spencer is nowhere near ready, PJ is not a ruckman, and Jamar is... well... Jamar.

We can delist him, and try to pluck another ruckman in the draft, but very few, if any, are ready to ruck at AFL level within a year of being drafted, so having Meesen there for another year as back-up at least, seems reasonable.

The worst thing that could happen IMO, is if we run out of ruckmen, and end up having to play someone like Martin in that position, and he gets injured because he is inexperienced and doesn't know when/how to jump correctly.

I'd be interested to know the contract status of PJ and Jamar. If either are out of contract, they may be gone before Meesen.

Lets hope Spencer comes good, because our ruck stocks are horrendous.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

I would say that if it is, he was gone even before the injury.

He is still very young for a ruckman, so if the club believes he is worth persisting with, they will keep him on. Stress fractures, while they take a while to heal, are not untreatable.

Given that he is contracted until the end of 2010, I can't see the club paying out his contract and delisting him. For one, we can't afford to do that, and secondly the competition for his position is about as weak as it gets. Spencer is nowhere near ready, PJ is not a ruckman, and Jamar is... well... Jamar.

What's wrong with Spencer?

[titan_uranus 24,965]

And even if it is surely Meesen's shown enough to stay on our list next year. Jamar's the one in most doubt for next year and beyond.

Agree. Which is sad because a lot of people on here have been saying 'Can't wait till Jamar's back'. The media trumpets him as being our 'no. 1 ruck', which makes him sound a lot better than he actually is.

Meesen hopefully will be right for next year. IMO he's done more than enough to take Jamar's spot on the list.

....Maybe if we actually had the facts surrounding this rather than jumping to uninformed conclusions

It would be nice, wouldn't it.

[Jaded No More 68,855]

What's wrong with Spencer?

He is a beanpole with no experience.

I think he has a huge amount of potential, but he needs a lot of time at VFL level before he is anywhere near ready for a serious rucking role.

Very few can step into that role first year in. It is the most specialised position on the ground, which requires a lot of perfecting. You let someone ruck who hasn't had the previous experience (and I'm pretty sure Spencer is not from an AFL background) and you risk serious injury... not to mention a lot of frees being paid against you.

If Meesen is indeed injured, then PJ goes into Number One Ruck mode until Jamar is fit, and Spencer becomes the backup.

Bring on Scully and Butcher!

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

He is a beanpole with no experience.

.......

If Meesen is indeed injured, then PJ goes into Number One Ruck mode until Jamar is fit, and Spencer becomes the backup.

I actually thought in the first two rounds Spencer gave us more in the centre than PJ did. I would have the order the other way because PJ is apparently one of the best 2nd rucks in the AFL. B)

[DemonDave 1,089]

I think what was meant was, why has Spencer not been playing the last two weeks? He's not on any injured list (same deal with Jurrah).

[titan_uranus 24,965]

I actually thought in the first two rounds Spencer gave us more in the centre than PJ did. I would have the order the other way because PJ is apparently one of the best 2nd rucks in the AFL. B)

Me too, though that may be a reflection on PJ's crapness in those first 3 rounds than Spencer's ability. Nonetheless, from what I saw of Spencer I think there's talent there that could well work out for us.

[Jaded No More 68,855]

I actually thought in the first two rounds Spencer gave us more in the centre than PJ did. I would have the order the other way because PJ is apparently one of the best 2nd rucks in the AFL. B)

In principle I agree, but does Spencer have the fitness and skills required to be a number one ruckman at the moment?

He is 203cm of awkwardness, and he was dropped from the senior team for a reason.

Let this take nothing away from the best 2nd ruckman in the AFL, who might well be the worst 1st ruckman