He actually doesn't have great hands but he is getting better. He was let go by the Eagles for that very reason.

As for being a dangerous kick, do you recall his miss from 25 metres straight in front last last week?

Thats one kick, Roughhead did the same thing last week.

I think he is an OK kick, but as a long term forward prospect? Its a pretty bad scenario if thats where we're heading

What he does bring is height and pace. This will cause some back's to panic and give away free kicks trying to stop his run at the ball which did happen on sat. Crossing everything that messen steps up to put a little pressure on the snr rucks

He actually doesn't have great hands but he is getting better. He was let go by the Eagles for that very reason.

As for being a dangerous kick, do you recall his miss from 25 metres straight in front last last week?

Correct. And he has missed a few from there before. People are seduced by his rather kicking style for a big man rather than the result.

Thats one kick, Roughhead did the same thing last week.

It was dead in front. Roughhead kick three goals in the same quarter from the boundary lines in either pockets.

What he does bring is height and pace. This will cause some back's to panic and give away free kicks trying to stop his run at the ball which did happen on sat. Crossing everything that messen steps up to put a little pressure on the snr rucks

He is not a prime ruck choice behind Jamar and on last week's efforts Spencer is clearly better. He is not a great mark. Height is a limited value when you cant hurt the opposition overheard. He is fast for a big man....200cm rover?. He has alot of nice to have skills while not being prominent in the ones he needs to have to nail a position as his own.

I would be hoping Spencer keeps improving. Meesen at the moment makes PJ look like Dean Cox.

It was dead in front. Roughhead kick three goals in the same quarter from the boundary lines in either pockets.

That was kinda my point, that someone who has a good kicking style and gets results can sometimes screw them up, not saying that PJ is at the same level as Roughhead, just saying he should't be judged on the one miss.

That first kick that PJ did for goal on Saturday was right in line where I was sitting, think he rushed his normal routine, nailed a second one a few minutes later from exactly the same position. I think DB knows exactly how he is going to play him, but at the moment, apart from the backline and McLean all other places are up for grabs, so I assume he will be slotted in when they are settled. On Satuday when he was not in the ruck, if Bate was off he lined up in the goalsquare, when Bate was there he had a 'roving' commission starting around CHF. Tomorrow I think his job will be following a certain Goodes person around, hence why Meesen and Spencer I think will share the ruck tomorrow. When we play Richmond during the season, reckon he will get Richardson. I actually like him as a player and I think DB does as well, and his role will vary during the season but if fit he will always be in the squad.

Buckley has been having tiny groin niggles and is just taking it easy right now. Should be raring to go very soon. Could have easily played last week

Where'd you hear that? I haven't heard a thing about Buckley all pre-season (except that he apparently looks like Franklin from a distance...)

I think so, he has very good hands and also is surprisingly one of our more dangerous kicks of a football.

I don't think he has terribly good hands, and his kicking for goal throughout last year was unreliable at best. I really can't decide on where PJ's best football lies.

That was kinda my point, that someone who has a good kicking style and gets results can sometimes screw them up, not saying that PJ is at the same level as Roughhead, just saying he should't be judged on the one miss.

He isn't. He missed a few sitters last year. He does not get alot of the ball. And if is not going to hurt the opposition when he has it then he is in trouble.

Sorry but Paul Johnson is not a foward. He never was and never shall be, even back when playing for Vic Metro U/16's he wasn't. Not bagging the big fella at all, just merely saying that he'll never truely be one, and would be wasted down foward.

He isn't. He missed a few sitters last year. He does not get alot of the ball. And if is not going to hurt the opposition when he has it then he is in trouble.

He had 65% goalkickng accuracy last year, which isn't too bad for a makeshift forward come ruckman. I'm not saying he is the greatest kick, but there are a few more players in our list who should be condemned for their skills before he is.

He had 65% goalkickng accuracy last year, which isn't too bad for a makeshift forward come ruckman. I'm not saying he is the greatest kick, but there are a few more players in our list who should be condemned for their skills before he is.

I recall him missing a few very gettable set shot ones last season. Given his overall 65% strike rate it makes those misses seem worse. He should have nailed. Other players are not being toted as forwards like he is.

I recall him missing a few very gettable set shot ones last season. Given his overall 65% strike rate it makes those misses seem worse. He should have nailed. Other players are not being toted as forwards like he is.

Bate had a 54% strike rate and we're calling on him to be our full forward

I recall him missing a few very gettable set shot ones last season. Given his overall 65% strike rate it makes those misses seem worse. He should have nailed. Other players are not being toted as forwards like he is.

such as?

such as?

Missed a bad one against Collingwood in the second qtr iirc - it was at the city end.

One of quite a few for a guy who has good skills around the ground.

Sorry but Paul Johnson is not a foward. He never was and never shall be, even back when playing for Vic Metro U/16's he wasn't. Not bagging the big fella at all, just merely saying that he'll never truely be one, and would be wasted down foward.

If he's wasted down forward where's he going to make it?

I can't see him ever holding down the #1 ruck role.

If you're a back-up ruck you need another string to your bow.

the guy kicked 4goals, there not going to back him up 6 days later, to risky.

What the? ....So those who kicked 1, 2 or 3 goals...they'll back up?? Bologni!!