B: Bartram Garland Frawley

HB: Grimes McNamara Petterd

C: Buckley Strauss Blease

HF: Dunn Bate Jetta

FF: Wonaemirri Watts Maric

R: Spencer Jones Morton

Int: Zomer Bennell Bail Valenti

I think that this is a pretty good reflection of where the Dees stand at the moment.

It's always easy to forget, when we were getting smashed, just how young our players are.

If you lookat this line up; Bartram, Garland, Frawley, Pettered, Buckley, Dunn, Bate, Wona, Valenti and Morton have all had significant experience now at AFL level.

Another pre-season and a bit more experience just makes me think how many exciting times we have ahead of us as a young and developing team! We're (almost) the Hawks of a few years ago, and look where they are!

I'm actually expecting that line up V Hawthorn in the NAB Cup, with a sprinkling of seasoned players.

You can do a quick look at how many players we have over 25 and the analysis is just as interesting and pleasing... Bruce, Davey, Green, Jamar, Miller, Robertson, Wheatley, Whelan, McDonald. Of those McDonald, and maybe Robbo, possibly Whelan... and if he has a bad one Jamar might be gone within a year due to retirements, delistings, injury etc etc.

And of your 22 players there, even if only 2/3rds of them came through, we still have a strong core all the same age.

*UPDATED*

B: Bartram Garland Frawley

HB: Grimes McNamara Petterd

C: Buckley Strauss Blease

HF: Dunn Bate Wonaemirri

FF: Jurrah Watts Maric

R: Spencer Jones Morton

Int: Jetta Bennell Bail Valenti

EMG: McKenzie Healey Zomer

Bartram, Jones, Dunn, Bate, Buckley...

Still all under 21 but you could be excused for thinking there becoming snr players. imagine how good some of these guys could be when they are 25 not to mention the next crop coming through as well.

Bartram, Jones, Dunn, Bate, Buckley...

Still all under 21 but you could be excused for thinking there becoming snr players. imagine how good some of these guys could be when they are 25 not to mention the next crop coming through as well.

A bit presumptuous to get too carried away with any of the names listed ,at this stage !

this is how i rate our youngsters, alot of it is gut feel as players like grimes, mcnamara, watts, blease, strauss, frawley etc are all unproven at afl level.

nevertheless:

1. Watts

2. Strauss

3. Maric

4. Morton

5. Martin

6. Petterd

7. Buckley

8. Jetta

9. Bate

10. Blease

11. Jones

12. Dunn

13. Wonaeamirri

14. Frawley

15. Garland

16. Bennell

17. Grimes

18. McNamara

19.Jurrah

20. Bartram

21. Valenti

22. Spencer

Yes, I do think Frawley will end up a better player than Garland. I just think that he will end up bulking up into a very big backmen, that has a good burst of speed. I think Garland may struggle to put on kilograms.

It doesn't matter that Garland won't bulk up massively, he will be a fletcher type backman. Anyway i disagree with many of that. My list:

1. Watts

2. Morton

3. Garland

4. Jones

5. Buckley

6. Petterd

7. Bate

8. Grimes

9. Blease

10. Strauss

11. Martin

12. Maric

13. Dunn

14. Frawley

15. Wonaeamirri

16. Bartram

17. Jetta

18. Spencer

19. Jurrah

20. Valenti

21. Bennell

22. McNamara

you're comparing garland to dustin fletcher? garland is is 8cm shorter than fletcher. garland is the same height as joel corey for Gods sake. 8cm is massive! A player with that difference in height simply cannot be compared.

you're comparing garland to dustin fletcher? garland is is 8cm shorter than fletcher. garland is the same height as joel corey for Gods sake. 8cm is massive! A player with that difference in height simply cannot be compared.

I think garland will make a career fighting out of his weight division just like fletcher did. I see the same similarities such as ability to read play, beat bigger apponents etc. So I don't think that type of comparison is that far off.

I'm actually expecting that line up V Hawthorn in the NAB Cup, with a sprinkling of seasoned players.

Can you pass me the salt n' pepper, BBP....

I think garland will make a career fighting out of his weight division just like fletcher did. I see the same similarities such as ability to read play, beat bigger apponents etc. So I don't think that type of comparison is that far off.

Much like Rivers.....

Can you pass me the salt n' pepper, BBP....

Much like Rivers.....

Hopefully not, I would never wish that bad luck with injuries on him

(I agree though!)

I think garland will make a career fighting out of his weight division just like fletcher did. I see the same similarities such as ability to read play, beat bigger apponents etc. So I don't think that type of comparison is that far off.

missed the point completely. fletcher is 8cm taller. this means that garland will be fighting out of his weight AND height division.

this is my shot at it

1. Watts

2. Morton

3. Garland

4. Maric

5. Grimes

6. Petterd

7. Blease

8. Struass

9. Bate

10. Buckey

11. Jones

12. Martin

13. Wonaeamirri

14. Frawley

15. Bennell

16. Jurrah

17. Jetta

18. Dunn

19. Valenti

20. Spencer

21. Bartram

22. McNamara

missed the point completely. fletcher is 8cm taller. this means that garland will be fighting out of his weight AND height division.

Fletcher is also about 100kilos, so more often than not he's taller AND heavier than his opponent

1:Watts

2:Morton

3:Garland

4:Blease

5:Grimes

6:Buckley

7:Jurrah

8:Petterd

9:Frawley

10:Bennell

11:Strauss

12:Maric

13:Wonnaeamirri

14:Spencer

15:Martin

16:Jones

17:Jetta

18:Macnamara

19:Bate

20:Bartram

21:Bail

22:Dunn

missed the point completely. fletcher is 8cm taller. this means that garland will be fighting out of his weight AND height division.

Matthew Scarlett is only 192cm. How tall was Silvanghi?

I think the comparisons with Fletcher are vaild. Whilst indeed there is a bit of a difference in terms of physical proportions Garland has similar "go-go gadget" arms, a feature Fletcher made synonmous with his game. Garland has the abillity to spoil seemingly out of nowhere. Regardless there is no doubt that Garland in terms of talent alone should be ranked within the top 3 fo the clubs youngsters. Who says he has to play strictly full back. His abillity to match up on small oponents e.g. Didak only adds versatillity to our backline. Add him to the likes of Martin, Frawley and Warnock.

I can't believe how underrated Jones is ...... just wait until next year.

I can't believe how underrated Jones is ...... just wait until next year.

Turnover machine. No thanks

Turnover machine. No thanks

No he isn't, he had a 70% efficiency rate this year while doing it all on his own in the packs in the middle. While it isn't a great efficiency rate it obviously can be worked on.

It's funny how people on this site go with the groupthink, one week people were praising him then as a couple of people start bagging him everyone jumps on.

A good example of this was his game against West Coast where he got 30 posessions at 90% efficiency, an outstanding match overall. Then people on this site were bagging him after the match for his bad disposal Sometimes i wonder if people actually watch the game and form their own opinions.

No he isn't, he had a 70% efficiency rate this year while doing it all on his own in the packs in the middle. While it isn't a great efficiency rate it obviously can be worked on.

It's funny how people on this site go with the groupthink, one week people were praising him then as a couple of people start bagging him everyone jumps on.

A good example of this was his game against West Coast where he got 30 posessions at 90% efficiency, an outstanding match overall. Then people on this site were bagging him after the match for his bad disposal Sometimes i wonder if people actually watch the game and form their own opinions.

Agree mate i rate jones hes a good footballer.

The people on this site are the only ones ive seen bag him out so much . Every one else agrees with me that his won of our better players of 2008 thats for sure.

apologise for spelling mistakes and tuff ^^^

No he isn't, he had a 70% efficiency rate this year while doing it all on his own in the packs in the middle. While it isn't a great efficiency rate it obviously can be worked on.

It's funny how people on this site go with the groupthink, one week people were praising him then as a couple of people start bagging him everyone jumps on.

A good example of this was his game against West Coast where he got 30 posessions at 90% efficiency, an outstanding match overall. Then people on this site were bagging him after the match for his bad disposal Sometimes i wonder if people actually watch the game and form their own opinions.

Look I don't think Jones is a bad footballer and in hindsight I really was having a bit of a troll ranking him 16th on my talent list.

However.....

How many times have you seen Jones hit a forward lace out?

Don't give me crap how about that's not his specific role. All "A" grade inside midfielders in the modern game e.g. your Sam Mitchell's and Joel Corey's have far superior kicking skills to Jones. If were going to challenge for a premiship he needs to get his kicking up to scratch or either pick up about 20 hard ball gets a game just to justify his position.

I for one more than anyone hopes Jonesy can improve on these deficiencies in his game.

missed the point completely. fletcher is 8cm taller. this means that garland will be fighting out of his weight AND height division.

Like when he towelled up Buddy?