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Just a point....it pleases me so much that the redemption of Lynden Dunn is nearly complete............the unfortunate side effect being some posters on here will need a new whipping boy.........even I thought Dunny was a bit like Matt Bate always gave his absolute best but couldn't nail a possie in the team.......have even more faith in Neeld and co who have taken him and turned him into a rebounding defencer with an awful lot of upside.....he is just settling into the role.....could be anything there...and from what I have seen at training and games could be in for a big season

And when Gawn doesn't live up to his potential...what then...rubbish him and start looking for another alterntative...he got a 3 yr deal because the Footy Dept wanted to give him one....rather poor of them not to agree with your assessment wasn't it

How many ruckmen do you want?Jamar, Spencer, Pedersen, Sellar, Fitzpatrick, Clark. Jamar was very good against St KIlda, but we couldn't get first hand to the ball after his tap work, that is not his fault. Did you watch it?

I like to read the posts, it keeps me grounded Let me see have we played a proper game yet this year, er no, have we seen who is going to sit in the so called small fwd possie in the 'best 22' for the first game er no. are we going to play a small fwd....not sure, we may go all tall...who knows.....am I allowed to express my thoughts...er yes

Milne is the best small forward in the game, followed by Le Cras, Betts may be third Why is there a gaping hole, have we seen the full forward line play together yet or have I missed something Betts has been brought up in at least another 3 topics so far this year Can we see how 2013 pans out, I am sure the FD have got this under control

Stuie, are you ready to lauch your invective at everybody who doesn't agree we were crap today?...hope you enjoy it

We lost to a nearly full strength side by four goals in a pre season comp in 35 deg heat and from all reports nobody injured ...I am satisfied

Actually one of the funniest bits today was Burton sledging Mitch Clark.....said something like "don't go near him, he'll fall over" I am disappointed I have another commitment tomorrow, that's why I went today, I think we are in for an improved showing, we may not win, as St Kilda are a proven side with most of their talent playing tomorrow apart from McEvoy, but just watching the body language today seem to suggest that maybe the Renmark game and the way the structures worked seems to have switched a big light on with all the players

I agree, I have been to training quite a few times this year, it is run with military precision, I sat on the bench across the far side of the oval before the start and watched Misson measuring with a measuring wheel and marking spots on the field, noticed the players using these marks during the drills......no more just throw a few witches hats around........same with Viney as reported he has a neck problem so he was pulled out of the contact drill but did kicking and handballing for the 5 to 10 mnutes it took before joining back inAs I said both Clark and Trengove are looking really fit, Clark has been making steady progress using anti-gravity treadmill, pool etc, he does not look out of condition at all, and standing next to Trengove he actually looks a bit bigger in the body, so has been using his off feet time as well Every player I have spoken to at training all same the same thing, they are actually feeling fitter, stronger etc Stood next to Tapscott today to chat to him, was always a big body, but solid doesn't do him justice

As far as I could make out, didn't want to make it obvious I was eavesdropping, both Martin and Moloney got a mention, Burton said Lions were pleased with both....it was mainly Craig asking the questions........he asked about Brisane's draftees......you have to remember they are all linked Craig at Adelaide, Rawlings at Brisbane, so a lot was 'in code'.... .when I meant interesting it was the first time I had seen a group of different coaches get together, not usually privy to that sort of thing , and annoyingly I don't know who it was, but Burton said (and this is paraphrase) "he did this already, so that's his season over" and the others nodded in agreement........I assume they were talking about a player they all knew and probably shows more than he goes

I also forgot Blease, no sign of him

But they are puttng in the extra work, as I noted in my report, neither Trengove or Clark looked 'stuffed' after the session and it was hot, yet the 'young' body Stark did...just saying

Took the morning off (too much leave) attended the early session, started at 8.30am Only three not with main group * Bail - doing heaps of running and rehab * Dawes - walked a couple of laps * Dean Kent - didn't see him Group of players not playing tomorrow came out ahead of main group and did a bit of leading and kicking. Stark, Nicholson, Barry, Taggert, Tynan, Davis (who didn't miss a target), Strauss, Couch and Fitzpatrick. They then joined the main group, session went for an hour, mainly kicking work once the warm up was completed. Main group then left, leaving behind those above plus Clark, Trengove and Gawn. Fitzpatrick and Clark did lead and marking work with Leigh Brown, Clark did not look hampered at all, and spoke to him after the session, said he was feeling great, was "bouncing" so obviously close. He also unleashed a couple of bombs at goal, one which flew through at post height much to the delight of the main group who were walking off. They then joined the rest for a bit more running work lasted about another 15 minutes. The other group had been doing a bit of evasive work in the meantime. Spoke to Trengove and Gawn said they are very close, Trengove said he was ready to play now, obviously champing at the bit. Rohan Bail is also close to resuming, seems more settled with the way the Club is handling him. All in all a good session, I know it doesn't count for much but the morale amongst the group was the highest I have ever seen it. If you need a good plastic surgeon by the way, speak to Chip Frawley, asked him to show me the eye, he said he was pleased with the work done on it, don't blame him, there is hardly a mark. Also spoke to Luke Tapscott, complimented him (and the rest of the team) at Renmark for the tackling, he said the work they have been putting in is paying off, he enjoyed crunching one guy during the game. All in all a good session. Also got to listen in to a great conversation between Jade Rawlings, Todd Viney, Neil Craig, Jade Rawlings and the "Birdman" Brett Burton who is down with the LIons for the NAB Cup, just "happened to be passing" training.....good natured ribbing all round and some interesting feedback on certain players.

There seems to be a misconception on this board that myself and a couple of the other more 'optimistic' posters on this board overrate MFC players I (we) don't, I go along to games and as long as the players give it everything they have got, that's all I ask for, I know some of the players we have (have had) couldn't cut it, and even though they gave it their best it wasn't good enough, but what is the point going on and on about it, what does it achieve? apart from making the person miserable.....as I have stated before I wear nr 39 on my guernsey, because of Nev Jetta, he has given it everyting but his body keeps letting him down, a lot of posters on here were down on him, but he hasn't turned up his toes, he has rehabbed and rehabbed and now he is finally showing what he can do Sometime (hopefully in the near future) we have will a team that when it gives it all, it will be good enough to win the Holy Grail

Gee Old Dee, it's a beautiful sunny day, I am actually achieving things in work today, our young team had a battling win at the weekend, this article is selective and does not fully explain how the results were reached, all the names on the list for MFC did not play the full season, what the hell happened to one N Jones, there is a game on Saturday in downtown Casey where you can sit and be severely sunburnt.....what is there to be miserable about.....try not to encourage the hair shirt wearers...believe the Membership telethon last night with the players was resounding success.......

It is not apparently IT IS, but I think they have also been selective in what they printed.

Club has been tweeting that they are going to record whole game and put on website, somebody asked about playing "live" they said not possible, probably something to do with broadcast rights etc

You are being rather simplistic blaming the players solely for the predicament that the Club found itself in just before Jim Stynes took over, the Club had some great players that are revered on this board during the period the Club was allowed to stagnate

"Ben-Hur witnesses the crucifixion of Jesus. and tells Esther that he heard Jesus talk of forgiveness while on the cross, and says "I felt His voice take the sword out of my hand." I like my giddy state, although I think it's age related, along with the hot flushes and the urge to shoplift. I also call it as I see it, just not as bluntly, but I have never played the game at AFL level so would have no idea what it is like to make a decision at high speed with a 90Kg monster hanging all over me...if I did I would probably make mistakes now and again, but use my tenacity, guts, fitness, courage etc to try and make up for any I did make

I don't pump up the team, I even had a good natured go at Luna Park the day after with Jordie, he agreed actually it was a terrible decision the turn over kick, I just find it rather destructive if you continually focus on the negative...it is just footy after all......I prefer to focus on the positive...I come onto the forum to maybe give the other side.....and to annoy BH...there I've said it

Sorry didn't realise there were supporters who just went along to pick out the mistakes and analyse, as I have said before, and this includes BH, if you think the team and the players that are in it are crap why support? latent masochism, the constant carping is tiresome......sorry BH one of the plebs standing up to you again, know you don't like it

This is one of the perpetuating myths on this board (a bit like the Joel Mac, 73% eff last weekend, silence now)...... yes I agree that Jordie's kicking is not the best in the world, but I could only see one poor kick at Etihad at the start of the NAB cup, a lot of the time his disposals are under extreme heat, I can live with the mistakes for everything else he brings to the team. He actually reminds me more of Mitch Robinson, every Carlton player and supporter loves him in the team for what he brings but some of his clangers are outrageous, but he is like Jordie if he stuffs up he is straight after the ball to try and fix it up

...the paradiddle and splash are spot on though...

It's also about not having them there as well, Neeld made a point in his post match of saying the team was able to readjust, and they seem to have done it themselves, so good leadership shown by non leadership group players, the Leadership group in AFL is about setting an example both on and off the field, in training etc...it would also show Neeld, if he wanted a change up who the next candidates might be....personally I don't mind the two Jacks as Captains, but the rest of the Leadership group should be an evolving beast

Been on one of my self imposed breaks, some observations myself Joel Mac - one poor kick and everybody assumes he can't kick, as somebody else says 73.7 efficiency Jetta - been saying for four years just needs an injury free run, footy smarts are in the family genes Fitzpatrick - was playing a role, notice how Sellar was most of the time one on one, that was because Fitzy was taking his other defender away, you don't have to touch the ball to have an impact but also his smother to create the runaway goal for Sellar was outstanding Syliva - is getting game time under his belt, I am sure the Footy Dept don't want him injured again, running at about 80% probably under instructions Spencer - competed in the ruck, that is all that is needed, stuck to the task and a couple of good tapdowns that led to goals Magner - was not fourth of fifth midfielder and showed what he can do The whole defence which was a complete change from the supposedly best 22 looks composed most of the time in the conditions I was pleased with what we saw