chookrat

I reckon we can successfully argue that Kossie's action was not careless because 1. He was contesting the ball and it was reasonable to do so in that way - Kossie actually gets to the ball first and pedals it with his foot at the same time the contact is made, he is playing the ball. 2. The circumstances were out of Kossie's control, he could not have anticipated that Moore would slide on his knees, an action which also constitutes rough conduct. Were Moore not concussed and Pickett suffered a serious leg injury then it could actually be Moore facing suspension. Here is what the 2024 Tribunal Guidelines state: 1. Rough Conduct (High Bumps) The AFL Regulations provide that a Player will be guilty of Rough Conduct where in the bumping of an opponent (whether reasonably or unreasonably) the Player causes contact that is at least Low Impact to be made with any part of his body to an opponent’s head or neck. If not Intentional, such conduct will be deemed to be Careless, unless: » The Player was contesting the ball and it was reasonable for the Player to contest the ball in that way; or » The contact to the opponent’s head or neck was caused by circumstances outside the control of the Player which could not be reasonably foreseen. 4. Rough Conduct (Contact Below the Knees) Under the Laws of Australian Football, it is prohibited to make contact with an opponent below the knees. Players who keep their feet are vulnerable to serious injury from opponents who lunge, dive or slide toward them and make contact below the knees. » The degree of momentum and/or force involved in the contact; » Whether the Player causes contact below the knees, without limitation, by sliding with his foot, feet, knee or knees in front of him; » Whether the opposition Player was in a position that was vulnerable to contact below the knees (for example, standing over the ball or approaching from the opposite direction); and » Whether the Player making contact had any realistic alternative ways of approaching the contest or situation

Should have been a free to Roo for front on contact against Moore in the marking contest as well.

Boards should listen to people who know what they are talking about and not members. Imagine if the MFC board listened to the nuffies on Demonland.

Well said. Hopefully the other legal matter which seems to grow new heads on the eve of each season since 2021 into perpetuity is resolved soon and the outcomes of the Caulfield Racecourse feasibility study are announced.

Loving that the word nuffies is being used here to describe opposition players or in general anyone who isn't Melbourne.

ANB is not walking out on us, he is looking after his family who need him more than Melbourne. He is doing the right thing by his family and the club and is an absolute champion.

The ship is sinking, premiers to zero sets, old list, poor culture.

I thought he was stubborn, no plan b or c.

I would fully expect he has been mentoring and guiding our young forwards since joining our club. For all of the noise re our poor forward line I think it is more a matter of having the right personnel and consistency than system or structure. Heading into last seasons finals campaign our forward line was very dangerous until Melksham went down with injury.

No it completely goes against playing JVR, Petty and Turner together to build cohesion in our forward line. Also with BBB involved in coaching our AFLW team he isn't really going anywhere and will continue to have a positive influence around the club.

Now we have to wait at least another 3 years before he releases his memoir revealing whether he really vomited on Tom Scully while on a camp.

I would have preferred them to be a chance so that we get a bigger home game attendance and so that we could be the ones to end the finals chance. Mathematically they can still make it if they have a huge win and other results fall their way. Does anyone know if they have a mathematical chances post like we do here?

Moderators can we rename the Title to PREGAME: Rd 24 vs "Zero Sets" Collingwood

Looking for Tigers to respond strongly in the second half.

Agree with your observations. I also think re Trac the club is careful not to talk on Trac's behalf and is keeping to the facts, e.g. there are frustrations that will be worked through, he is a contracted player and will be playing for us next year. I also think it would be natural for a player to consider their future in the game after such a traumatic injury, and this added to the rawness of Brayshaw being forced into retirement just before the season commences, it is probably a good thing for Trac to take some time away with his family, as he has done, talk to the club and approach the preseason refreshed.

Stay tuned to the next post which is our narrower path to Premiers 🏆

I did say it is a narrow path to Victory 🙌

And the speculation re Trac isn't. By the same logic we should wait until we hear from Trac, his manager or the club. My post is useful in keeping some interest on the remaining rounds on which results are relevant to us. They are also relevant in whether us beating Collingwood next week shuts them out of finals contention.

I have ran the numbers and if some results go our way and we can make up around 120 point turnaround in score for / against we can displace Hawthorn and pass Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon on the ladder. Here is a breakdown re what needs to play out. - *Hawthorn loses to Richmond and North - *Carlton loses to West Coast and St Kilda - Essendon loses or draws to Brisbane - *Melbourne beats Collingwood *Re percentage we have to make up around 7.5% on Hawthorn and 6.5% on Carlton which is roughly a 20 goal differential. To be safe we should try to beat Collingwood by exactly 186 points. Essendon are only 2 points ahead of us and have a worse percentage so either a loss or draw will work. Aside from Hawthorn v Richmond which Hawthorn should win, I reckon the other games are at least a 50 / 50 in our favour. Clarko will get his boys up against his old side, Carlton are ravaged with injury and have 6 forced changes vs West Coast, St Kilda are playing well and Brisbane should beat Essendon. In all of the media hysterics over the past couple of weeks not one person in the media have reported on our narrow path to victory. Dees!

Proud of how the boys played yesterday and some good reward for their effort over the past 6 weeks or so. Viney is an absolute beast and it is so good to see all of the boys in the circle, not to mention a happy Clarry in amongst it. Looking forward to Friday night and hope we bring the heat vs the Filth.

Severe impact so will go to the tribunal with a minimum of 3 weeks. I reckon it will be 4 - 5 weeks which is effectively the season and probably GF appearance if they make it.

Function and event facilities are really commercial spaces and offer no real community benefit. I'm staggered thay Geelong are pushing for this given the amount of State Government funding they have received in the past 20 years. Hopefully it gets knocked back and the GFC and Local Government are asked to contribute the majority of funding.

I cannot believe our footy department let it come to this. I mean one of our key players being frustrated at how we performed this year and another being approached by a rival club before being able to say no thanks. Another needs to return home to SA for his family and rather than hold him to hos contract like Geelong would, we tell him how much he means to us and we will make it happen. Such outrage, the wheels have clearly falling off.

As supporters it is easy to forget that there are 17 other teams with access to the same level of talent, coaching, fitness and conditioning, facilities and other things that result in a very fine margin between success (Premiership) and failure. Often games are decided by marginal differences in how teams structure up against each other, player form and fitness, injuries, and even a lucky or unlucky bounce or umpiring decision. Collingwood have done well in the past few seasons to maximise their comparative advantage in the noise and energy generated by their supporters. In 2018 we leaned on such energy to win finals vs Hawthorn and Geelong, as a Melbourne support I have never been to a game where our supporters were as vocal as they were in those two games. Outside of the media reporting we have achieved alot more this year than our ladder position suggests: 1. Played alot of young players who have performed well. 2. Resigned key players including Petty, Windsor, Tholstrup, Langdon, and Turner. 3. Supported Clarry to the extent that he played almost every game and is happy and in a really good space to get back to his best in 2025. 4. Worked Petty and Melksham back into the side from serious injuries where they are playing some really good footy. 5. Building synergy with our forward line that will only get better on 2025. 6. Added speed and ball use to our midfield through playing Rivers and at times McVee through the middle. Now is probably a good time to get the negative media reporting out of the way where the focus will shift to Essendon, Carlton and Collingwood if they do not make the finals.

What if Demonland did the internal review. We should compile a list of questions they can ask: 1. Why is Simon Goodwin so stubborn? 2. What is the plan B and C? 3. Why do we lose games at the selection table? 4. Why didn't the President remonstrate with the Collingwood players after the Maynard hit? 5. If our culture was better would we have made up on the scoreboard the less than a single kick losses vs Carlton, Brisbane, GWS and Port Adelaide to be in the top 4? 6. Why haven't we been able to cover the loss of Brayshaw, Trac, Melksham and Olivers injuries/form through first, second and third year players? 7. Why doesn't Goodwin blame close losses on the umpiring like the coach of last years premiers? 8. Our ruckman forward coach failed to deliver more goals in our 2023 finals campaign which had nothing to do with the loss of Melksham, Petty and Fritsch's injury/form. This is the case, no? As Demonlander's what other questions would we ask if we conducted the review?