Lucifers Hero

The footnotes show the contract term is only assumed at this stage. When the detail becomes available I will update the table.

afaik it is straight move but I think the play needs to be out of contract. Having said that the AFL seems very flexible on 'rules'...

D Turner will be promoted this year and McVee next year. McVee's won't be brought forward to this year unless they rewrite his contract. I can't see the club going to 38 senior players which as you say we haven't for a number of years. I'm sure the club will create enough list spots to accommodate the players it wants drafted and keep, in whichever categories work for all concerned.

My chart is based on the current status of club strategy and players which right now gives 3 list spots: one senior and 2 A rookie. There is no evidence the club would go to 38 senior spots and I think that just won't happen. So, it is a hypothetical that I reckon is not worthy of much more discussion. Perhaps the hypothetical is best in another thread.

Question for folks: If Melksham goes onto the LTI list is it for the whole of 2024 or can he be brought back onto the senior list to play later in the year...?

We won't 'pass' on #42; it is too valuable: it will probably come in a few spots after all the gcs round 2 picks have been used for academy players. If we intend to not use it in a pre draft pick upgrade, it will be cashed in at some stage before or on draft night for a pick for Brown and or a future pick.

Your count of 34 is the same as my count of 35 as I have included Melksham because right now he is on the senior list. My list spot numbers assumes the 2023 mix of 36 senior players and 6 A rookies to total the max allowed of 42. The club can change this mix. I believe the calc of 4 list spots is incorrect as it assumes Melksham is not on any list. Right now he is on the senior list and if not he has to be counted on the A rookie list. Either way we have three list spots available. Re these 4-list spot scenarios: ND6, 11, 42 and Brown with Melksham to RL. ND6, 11, and Brown with Melksham retained. ND1, 42, and Brown with Melksham retained. ND1, 42, extra late pick from Eagles, and Brown with Melksham to RL. These will all result in an increase in the number of senior list spots from 36 to 37 or 38, which I have noted as possibilities in posts above. If those are the scenarios proposed by the media they should read this thread. I think they are wrong! There are 3 list spots right now! As an aside, we will only have 4 if K Turner is delisted but that will only generate an additional A rookie spot. But that decision has not been taken and I think our current list should be the starting point for list spots.

Not sure we can delist a contracted player even if they are rookied but I could be wrong.

Cheers! Yes very tight for spots. Moving Melksham to A rookie list is a bit like robbing 'Peter to pay Paul' as we don't have many A rookie spots. To use ND 6, ND11 and take Brown we need 3 senior spots but currently only have one. Melksham to become an A rookie, giving us two (but just 1 A rookie spot). The only way I see to get that 3rd senior spot is to increase the list from 36 to 37 as I believe we cannot delist a contracted player (but I could be wrong) altho some can retire but that looks unlikely. If we consolidate ND6 and ND11, trade out ND42 and take Brown we will need only 2 senior spots. Interesting days ahead!

#42 won't be 'wasted'. options: used in a pick upgrade traded out for future picks split for a later pick to get Brown and a future pick. See @Turner response below re the rookie option for Brown I believe we can only delist uncontracted players so the only candidate is AM-W

Updated for Billings trade using a future 3rd round pick tied to Melbourne. We still have Sydney's F2 and WBD F3. Nominally we have 1 senior list spot (after the promotion of Turner) which suggests that Melksham will become a rookie. The other option is to have more senior players next year and fewer A rookies but imv this option is unlikely. We hold a full suite of picks in 2024 so can deal our F1.

Thanks, forgot about the F4 rule. Do they have enough late round 6 and 7 picks to upgrade rookies? It is your last line that I was doubting the value of this years trading.

True. They have traded out their round 5 pick. Not sure how many rounds there are. 6 maybe? That pick will come into 60 something but they still seem to have breached the rules this year and next.

How does this happen: "The deals today mean Port Adelaide currently has ZERO picks left in the first five rounds of this year's draft....They have also traded out their future first and future fourth-round picks, meaning they currently hold just two picks for the 2024 draft." Hard to believe the AFL allowed that to happen. It breaches the drafting and the future pick trading rules. They probably want a F4 pick from Ess for Duursma but Dodoro seems determined to not hand any over. But the AFL may force them to hand over a F4 to enable Port to meet the future trading rules. They will be in a power of hurt (excuse the pun) for a few years in trading and drafting. Looks like an all out tilt at a flag next year. Irony is they haven't traded in any real talent....talk about mortgaging the future.

The new CBA allows for a 37% increase in the TPP from now to 2027. So clubs have mega bucks to splash around. Hence the crazy offers from multiple clubs to the likes of Ben McKay, Naughton, Petty etc The new CBA allows clubs to front end new contracts hence why the Crows offer to Petty for year 1 is a reported $1m. We also have that money to splash around and I would be surprised if the offer to Petty doesn't cover that of the Crows.

I've run out of 'storage space' to post images etc. I've been deleting 'attachments' like crazy but to keep the Contracts thread going Andy put me into the 'Contributors' category as it was the only way to increase my storage space.

ha ha, it looks a bit harsh to me. I believe the system chose it... ...Andy might change it.

I'm in a special category

Silvagni is doing his best Dodoro impersonation. The back and forth between the clubs would be mainly by Billing's manager so no surprise that the clubs themselves haven't spoken. Silvagni is there now to sign the paperwork before 7pm for what was agreed.

We don't need to delist Turner or even move Melksham to the rookie list. My figures are based on maintaining the 2023 mix of 36 senior spots and 6 A rookie spots. But notice that we are allowed up to 38 senior players and if we had 38 we would then cut back the A rookie spots to 4, to stay within the max 42 allowed. Usually we max out the rookie spots as a portion of their contract $ is not included in the sal cap. Having said that if we get Billlings we will probably make Melksham a rookie. The Turner decision would then stand alone.

Updated for McAdam trade and have assumed a 3 year contract: We have 4 list spots. On last year's mix that is 2 senior and 2 A rookie spots but that mix can easily change. Melksham's status will probably be decided in the next few days. We can create two more list spots by not renewing K. Turner's and Montz-Wakefield contracts but I'm not suggesting that should happen. In terms of draft picks we will use one to promote Turner ie #93 or whatever it is on draft night. We will need a pick for Brown if we take him but imv it is unlikely to be an existing pick; more likely one traded in on or before draft night. We might end up splitting #42 for a current and a future pick like we did last year, on draft night. We also hold a full suite of future picks and an extra F3 pick which means we can trade our F1 and have flexibility with the other picks. I'm not expecting Sydney and Bulldogs to fare so well next year so their future picks come in quite handy.

Yes, he can be rookied. My guess it will depend on how many picks we take to the draft. Early this week, I think Lamb said they will know decide Melksham's status in the next few days so I assume that means after trade week is over.

I'm not as enamoured as many for pick 1 if it means using our F1 In the next year or two we need to find A-level KPF, KPD and Ruckman. The best will require a top 10 pick or even two in the case of a KPF eg JUH (who has put off contract talks to see how next year goes). Ditto for Ben King. Can't see us having the currency to get those if we trade out our F1. It seems many clubs are copying Dodoro and demanding ridiculous trades for even mediocre players who aren't in their best 22. Unless we have someone on our list/in our sights to replace Brown/McDonald, May, Gawn, I would have been quite happy to trade in another F1 instead of chasing GCS pick 10 (now 11) which will go out to the mid teens. We could still trade in a F1 (and meet the AFL rule to use 3 picks at the draft): pick 6 for the best available midfielder pick 43 for Brown assuming he nominates us pick 93 to promote Turner which allows us to cash in pick 11 (and maybe some other 2024 picks) for the best F1 we can get. But I know it won't happen.

Latest Update for Fullarton. For now have assumed a 3 year contract. There has been no change to the number of list spots: 2 or 3 Senior spots and 1 or 2 A rookie spots depending on what happens with Melksham.

93 went missing as the official AFL draft order list didn't include round 5. I've included it in the latest version in the next post. We can use any pick to upgrade Disco but if all lower picks have been used we can use 93 which by that stage will come in to 60 something. I reckon Melksham's status will be decided after the draft when we see where Brown comes in at and what else happens. Unless we keep pick 43 for Brown we will need to trade in a pick for him which could be on draft night. I reckon there is another 'big' deal to be made so who knows what we end up with.