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Of course you can but the really good ones make an impact early in their careers. Brown, Brereton, Lockett for example made an impact early. The good thing about Hogan and McCartin is they are hard at it competitors (mongrels), a thing they share in common with the above players. I reckon it's these types that make it early. Jeremy Cameron is another that made an early impact but I wouldn't put him in the mongrel category although he is no shrinking violet when it comes to standing his ground.

I would think more if we pick him up. McCartin is already better in the air and his leading patterns are better than Dawes. Dawes has a mature AFL body but it does seem to let him down a bit.

...but he was playing better footy without injury last year against the older kids 'Bob' so I don't think it will be a problem for him.

...but the draft is not today.

Might be, who are you missing or who will be missing?

A consultant with more than a lot of influence.

Might have been his press conference but I heard the same thing. Seems like they are going to use pick 40.

Not arguably, he was a great player.

Spot on 'good oil', Gore is the more natural mid, particularly in the stoppages where he reads and distributes well.

Garlett is the only one with runs (goals) on the board though.

So do I, the comment is more about those who keep talking about our poor midfield but I would suggest our forward line may now be worse. Of course Hogan and Garlett will add a lot and Howe being able to roam the forward half rather than being a key target will also help. On current performance our forward line in very, very poor on future outlook it looks better but we still have a very long way to go before we start discounting KPF's in the draft.

Only one proven quality forward in that lot 'Redleg', and he's coming off a bad season.

Rather than our 'F' troop forward line?

Wouldn't make as good a story though 'Jack'.

Now...is there any serious talk of Beams being in a trade deal to MFC or is it just stuff made up here? Who is reporting this stuff and do they have real info or are they just reading 'Demonland'?

I know some are saying the situations are different and every situation is but if Beams is using his sick father to get out of Collingwood then it's pretty low I reckon. Clark used depression to get out of Melbourne, similar I think. I wouldn't trust Beams if that's the way he does business. Similar because both seem to have a value system based around money. I haven't read all of this thread but I think 'Pennant' mentioned something about taking time out to be with his father. If his father is in really bad shape then the only honourable thing to do is to go home, trade or no trade.

Brayshaw.

'Hood', you might remember back in Box Hill in the days when the rail crossing was on Station Street just before every State election the tractors rolled in. Of course it was a con job on the electorate who thought that finally the crossing was being removed and the line going under the street. Then after the election the tractors disappeared but the crossing didn't. Ever since then I use the word "tractors" when ever I hear about the airport rail link and many other great ideas that seem to miraculously come up around election time and just as miraculously disappear after. This sounds like tractors to me.

He's off to Brisbane.

I think so too 'Jack', a Hogan, McCartin forward line would strike fear into defenders in years to come. They both have a take no prisoners attitude to the game.

Absolutely he is but the point is he got traded for pick 46 not pick 2 and I did say at best, he's miles from that level.

No way, Hrovat is a good hard worker & a handy player but nowhere near a pick 2 even with pick 5 coming back. At his best he will be a McGlynn type and he was traded for pick 46 & 70 tied up in the Kennedy deal. Surely we can do much better than this.

That is not smart. The Dogs are desperate for a KPF, we would want one of their best mids for that trade.

Hasn't been as good this year as last but I think we could. He can play and is hard at it like Hogan.

It's really not that important anyway, we should be well over the one player will help us thing and the great white hope number one selection. FWIW the 2 best up and coming mids in the game are Fyfe pick 20 and Parker pick 40. I still think Dean Gore will be a steal at anywhere from 20 to rookie.