Undeeterred

10 hours ago, sue said:

I've not yet watched the replay, but my initial impression was that at the last second he did a good job of making it appear as if he was looking to mark the ball on his chest. Cleary bogus because it was never going to get past the bloke who marked it but apparently enough to fool the umps.   

Fooled them alright. That was a blatant block but the AFL loves scoring so I’m sure the umps are told to ignore those.

5 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

As I was watching the replay of the game again today, I couldn't help but think what an oppertunity Brisbane let pass them by last year when they assumingly (along with many others) passed up the oppertunity to sign up T Mac and instead chased and got Joe Daniher.

I suspect they would have got T Mac on a fraction of the coin and looking at the respective output of the pair, I know who I'd rather have.  Watching Daniher again yesterday reinforced to me how atrocious his goal kicking really is and what an asset T Mac's is.  Just take for example that shot that Daniher had where he tried to screw it round with a banana from 45m out on the boundary and ended up completely shanking it.  Compare that to T Mac absolutely nailing his set shots under pressure week in, week out.  These are momentum/game changing moments.

So glad we got no bites for T Mac last season and he's still at the club, producing his career best form again.

TMac is on about $800k a year I think so not sure that really holds true 

ANB was this good in 2018.

Spargo has absolutely found another level.

Tmac is the most improved from 2020, but probably not from his previous best. 

I’d almost argue Oliver. Sure he got lot of touches over the last few years but he is utterly dominating games and providing huge drive and damage. Could mount an argument on the same lines for Trac.

Most improved doesn’t always have to be the fringe players. 

Langdon has to come in.

Hunt might go and Salem, if they don’t come up. Otherwise it’s really tough but probably Sparrow if he’s only up to 58% time. 

3 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Just want a reasonable shake mate

 

Who cares?? It’s not like it made the remotest difference!

Rivers another who stepped it up in the second half. Started playing in front, took a couple of hugely important marks, and gave us heaps of drive through the middle.

But make no mistake it was Oliver and Trac who turned it for us. Oliver’s drive is immense now that he’s finally kicking it more like we’ve all been hoping he would, but still has those quick hands to create stuff like Tom McDonald’s goal out of nothing. And Trac just holds his feet in the contest when he’s in it but explodes away from it with such power. 

Definitely two of the best 5-6 players in the comp now. I can’t think of anyone other than Dusty I’d rather have, and even then I’d probably prefer these two. 

Our defence also sorted out its [censored] in the second half and May in particular took some great marks. Hibberd really shut Charlie Cameron out all night - he was a non-entity.

Sparrow didn’t do heaps but flushing that goal from outside 50 was magic. 

We are up and rolling. That was a massive, massive win. 

4 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Why?

Because hanging [censored] on players three minutes after the siren goes when we are 11-1 is a [censored] effort 

3 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Spargo doesn’t waste a kick. He doesn’t do the “traditional” small forward magic, but if he gets the ball, it goes to a teammate every time. I’ve come around.

He’s also incredibly hard at it and creates a lot of options. Competes incredibly well. He’s always been underrated by most on here!

2 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Commentators hating this so much. They are struggling to be positive. 

Kayo switch back to Fox away from the 7 commentators - Garry Lyon is pretty pleased...

On 4/23/2021 at 9:30 AM, Yung Blood said:

I agree with others it's not a discussion for now with there being no opportunity to trade him mid season (only free agents) and keeping big man depth is important I think with us having such good depth in pretty much every other position (other then wing maybe).

BUT I am a bit pessimistic when it comes to Tmac. He is playing his role well currently yes. I don't think he's anywhere near his 2018 form nor do I think he will achieve this again. The bar has been set lower for him playing more a lead up role where he simply needs to create marking contests further up the ground and float back to do so in the forward line. His pressure in the forward line has been impressive but I think mostly his form has been more of a product of the overall teams form and cohesiveness. 

I have made note of it many times on here, Tom's straight line running and tank is excellent no question, however his mobility/agility is so restricted. Regardless of how much weight he lost in the off season, he can't turn easily at all and this really limits his ability in contests that aren't in the air. I fear this will make him a liability in this possible wing role when/if the other two bigs come into the side.

I hope he continues to play this well whether in seniors or at Casey as his market value has definitely gone up and is a prime candidate for trade to another club in need of a decent key forward.

Agility is restricted?

Dead set laughable.

Remember when we’d lose in round 10 and be 1-9?

Those were the days!

On 5/17/2021 at 9:42 PM, rpfc said:

Not true! Now if you would excuse me...

 

I was literally watching this episode on Netflix 20 minutes before I read this post. Very weird

Had a chat with him this morning at our local cafe, seemed fairly philosophical about the whole thing and was in pretty good spirits.

Just gutted for him. Fantastic bloke and was just settling in beautifully. 

On 4/24/2021 at 11:02 PM, Nasher said:

Jones, Melksham and Spargo are our clear bottom 3 at present. I think a case can be made for any of those three to go - but only one of them. I’d pick Brown ahead of Weid.

I’d be really tempted to go no change though. The present mix is working. The risk of breaking it has to be a consideration.

Surely you jest Nash! He's not going anywhere other than on the team bus to Etihad.  

6 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Righto people  Reattach your lids

It's a long season, let's take this one week at a time

Live a little mate. Don’t be such a downer 

On 6/14/2020 at 5:13 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Agree, hes an honest plodder.

With the list reductions this year, i expect Jordon to be cut.

LOL

What an absolute clown.

There's just no excuse for this kind of nonsense. 

On 11/29/2020 at 3:06 AM, Ohio USA - David said:

I believe that playing a Team sport is different  at the AFL  sporting level and is quite different than a "day job" in some ways that you and I enjoy. These players are on performance contracts and that contract encompasses a Team attitude to win ultimate glory - a Premiership flag for The Team and its members. There is little loyalty in a Club these days......Should a player leave a Team for another Club then he does it selfishly for money and other glory and not for the spirit of the Team he left behind. Just read the St Kilda Web site where Frawley speaks of how lovely it is to be at St Kilda and his reasoning...  Wipe away the BS and you begin to see it is for money $$$  There is no loyalty to The Team.. You can disagree with me all you like  but I am entitled to my own opinion.

 

What a load of bunk.

I'm on a base salary and a bonus that is almost entirely linked to company performance. 

Tell the me the difference - I'd love to hear it.

On 11/27/2020 at 12:59 PM, hardtack said:

I really cannot understand comments such as this. 

Being an AFL footballer is a career, just like any other career that any one of us might have (or have had), and so, AFL footballers, look to improve themselves and secure their futures, just like any of us do.  I had a career as a Technical Writer and when my manager left to go to a bigger and better company, he contacted me and asked if I'd like to move and join him at that company on better wages, with better conditions, and with more talented developers; I jumped at it, as I'm sure most would, and it certainly did not diminish my caring about doing the best work that I possibly could... in fact it had the exact opposite affect, it reinvigorated me.

On the flip side of that coin, I was working at a company called Oracle and at the age of 62 was made redundant.  Not so different to an AFL club delisting or trading players who are now surplus to their needs.  Do you regard the MFC with the same disdain, for only caring about winning flags and attracting large sponsorships at the expense of players like Oscar McDonald?  Has that diminished your love of football?

This, 100%. People complaining about Frawley 'mailing it in' have obviously never decided to move jobs. They're obviously still sitting around the company they joined when they were 18, miserable about the fact that the company continues to underperform the industry, but too loyal to leave for more money and some success. They're obviously not grown up enough to realise that a job is a job and they can always see the mates they've 'left behind' on the weekends like the rest of us. Assuming that they even like the people they are working with, which is a big assumption in any organisation, football clubs included. 

As if. 

On 11/26/2020 at 6:14 PM, Wrecker45 said:

That was a pivotal moment in our history and it should never be let go.

Mate you need to get a life. Get some perspective. 

12 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

No, not ridiculous, just unfortunate coaching and opportunity. This is an opinion that attracts some support; I am one of those supporters. Do you deny me that perspective or is this a forum of ideas and thoughts? By the way, OMac received the games by good fortune alone - yet there was no improvement. 

 

Of course you’re allowed your perspective. I just think it’s wildly wrong. Frost is, was and will be a dreadful footballer. 

5 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Frosty, for starters ... he may have hit the mark earlier - several years ago - probably would have achieved far more as he had talents and was our excitement machine - getting better by the game. Frosty was an ideal subject to develop - but alas, Goodwin decided that it was not to be so he underwent his own remediation and intensity for the ball. 

What nonsense. Frost was always limited, and we could hardly ship him fast enough when the offer for him came. 

And he was injured for a good portion of the couple of years that OMac played most of his games so it's just not valid to say Oscar was getting games ahead of him. And even if he was, it was because he's a better player than Frost. He probably did what he was told, for a start. 

But to suggest we should have put more games into him rather than Oscar is ridiculous. 

4 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

 

 

 

All I can say is that you just have absolutely no idea what you're on about if you can't see the difference in the way Oscar's career has been handled compared to those you mentioned. 

Surely I don't need to baby you through Oscar's case study again. Did I ever once mention that it's unprecedented for players to be delisted under the age of 25? 

How on earth are you unable to differentiate between the way Oscar's career was managed vs Newton's?

 

 

You've obviously not improved from your prior incarnations, and I'm not going to debate with you further. I've established in fifteen seconds that you're talking utter [censored], and am not going to bother to be drawn further. 

6 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Completely agree. Oscar would never cop all that he does if he wasn't gifted games. It's not his fault at all and it's quite embarrassing from Goodwin et al. Reminiscent of when jack watts debuted

At risk of invoking with the old adage about arguing with fools, who exactly would you have played instead of Oscar in all these games he was ‘gifted’?

Name names he should have been behind, but played in front of. 

5 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

The club is entirely to blame for the sheer amount of criticism Oscar copped over his career. They just simply kept playing him, underdeveloped, underperforming, hoping that he'd come on and ultimately he never did.

I agree that Oscar copped a lot. Unfairly only because he was consistently relied upon over the years to hold down a key position whilst underperforming more often than not.

Posters are beyond out of touch if they truly believe he was never as bad as what some like myself believed. I get the emotion involved in being a supporter and posters like @binmanwho consistently defended him because he was a favourite. Oscar simply shouldn't have been playing AFL football on many many occasions during his career and that is absolutely indisputable given the fact that he didn't find a suitor over the trade period and has now been delisted at under 25 years of age. Think about that for a minute. It's near unprecedented.

Honestly, this club make some absolutely bizarre decisions sometimes and they are to blame entirely for the way Oscar was managed, developed and then delisted.

An embarrassment really.

Whilst I was never a fan (and couldn't for the life of me understand why the club wouldn't target a mature-aged stop gap gorilla to allow Oscar to develop in the twos), I wish him all the best in his future endeavours.

One can only hope the club has learnt from this one because they did everyone including Oscar a disservice in the way they managed him.

Sorry, but if you're saying that it's 'near unprecedented' for players to be delisted under 25 years, you have absolutely zero credibility. I'll give you a crack at clarifying, because that's surely not what you actually meant. 

And if you did, between the rest of us I think we could probably come up with 20 names just from our own club this has happened to. Corey Wagner, this year, for a start.