Undeeterred

6 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Righto people  Reattach your lids

It's a long season, let's take this one week at a time

Live a little mate. Don’t be such a downer 

On 6/14/2020 at 5:13 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Agree, hes an honest plodder.

With the list reductions this year, i expect Jordon to be cut.

LOL

What an absolute clown.

There's just no excuse for this kind of nonsense. 

On 11/29/2020 at 3:06 AM, Ohio USA - David said:

I believe that playing a Team sport is different  at the AFL  sporting level and is quite different than a "day job" in some ways that you and I enjoy. These players are on performance contracts and that contract encompasses a Team attitude to win ultimate glory - a Premiership flag for The Team and its members. There is little loyalty in a Club these days......Should a player leave a Team for another Club then he does it selfishly for money and other glory and not for the spirit of the Team he left behind. Just read the St Kilda Web site where Frawley speaks of how lovely it is to be at St Kilda and his reasoning...  Wipe away the BS and you begin to see it is for money $$$  There is no loyalty to The Team.. You can disagree with me all you like  but I am entitled to my own opinion.

 

What a load of bunk.

I'm on a base salary and a bonus that is almost entirely linked to company performance. 

Tell the me the difference - I'd love to hear it.

On 11/27/2020 at 12:59 PM, hardtack said:

I really cannot understand comments such as this. 

Being an AFL footballer is a career, just like any other career that any one of us might have (or have had), and so, AFL footballers, look to improve themselves and secure their futures, just like any of us do.  I had a career as a Technical Writer and when my manager left to go to a bigger and better company, he contacted me and asked if I'd like to move and join him at that company on better wages, with better conditions, and with more talented developers; I jumped at it, as I'm sure most would, and it certainly did not diminish my caring about doing the best work that I possibly could... in fact it had the exact opposite affect, it reinvigorated me.

On the flip side of that coin, I was working at a company called Oracle and at the age of 62 was made redundant.  Not so different to an AFL club delisting or trading players who are now surplus to their needs.  Do you regard the MFC with the same disdain, for only caring about winning flags and attracting large sponsorships at the expense of players like Oscar McDonald?  Has that diminished your love of football?

This, 100%. People complaining about Frawley 'mailing it in' have obviously never decided to move jobs. They're obviously still sitting around the company they joined when they were 18, miserable about the fact that the company continues to underperform the industry, but too loyal to leave for more money and some success. They're obviously not grown up enough to realise that a job is a job and they can always see the mates they've 'left behind' on the weekends like the rest of us. Assuming that they even like the people they are working with, which is a big assumption in any organisation, football clubs included. 

As if. 

On 11/26/2020 at 6:14 PM, Wrecker45 said:

That was a pivotal moment in our history and it should never be let go.

Mate you need to get a life. Get some perspective. 

12 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

No, not ridiculous, just unfortunate coaching and opportunity. This is an opinion that attracts some support; I am one of those supporters. Do you deny me that perspective or is this a forum of ideas and thoughts? By the way, OMac received the games by good fortune alone - yet there was no improvement. 

 

Of course you’re allowed your perspective. I just think it’s wildly wrong. Frost is, was and will be a dreadful footballer. 

5 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Frosty, for starters ... he may have hit the mark earlier - several years ago - probably would have achieved far more as he had talents and was our excitement machine - getting better by the game. Frosty was an ideal subject to develop - but alas, Goodwin decided that it was not to be so he underwent his own remediation and intensity for the ball. 

What nonsense. Frost was always limited, and we could hardly ship him fast enough when the offer for him came. 

And he was injured for a good portion of the couple of years that OMac played most of his games so it's just not valid to say Oscar was getting games ahead of him. And even if he was, it was because he's a better player than Frost. He probably did what he was told, for a start. 

But to suggest we should have put more games into him rather than Oscar is ridiculous. 

4 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

 

 

 

All I can say is that you just have absolutely no idea what you're on about if you can't see the difference in the way Oscar's career has been handled compared to those you mentioned. 

Surely I don't need to baby you through Oscar's case study again. Did I ever once mention that it's unprecedented for players to be delisted under the age of 25? 

How on earth are you unable to differentiate between the way Oscar's career was managed vs Newton's?

 

 

You've obviously not improved from your prior incarnations, and I'm not going to debate with you further. I've established in fifteen seconds that you're talking utter [censored], and am not going to bother to be drawn further. 

6 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Completely agree. Oscar would never cop all that he does if he wasn't gifted games. It's not his fault at all and it's quite embarrassing from Goodwin et al. Reminiscent of when jack watts debuted

At risk of invoking with the old adage about arguing with fools, who exactly would you have played instead of Oscar in all these games he was ‘gifted’?

Name names he should have been behind, but played in front of. 

5 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

The club is entirely to blame for the sheer amount of criticism Oscar copped over his career. They just simply kept playing him, underdeveloped, underperforming, hoping that he'd come on and ultimately he never did.

I agree that Oscar copped a lot. Unfairly only because he was consistently relied upon over the years to hold down a key position whilst underperforming more often than not.

Posters are beyond out of touch if they truly believe he was never as bad as what some like myself believed. I get the emotion involved in being a supporter and posters like @binmanwho consistently defended him because he was a favourite. Oscar simply shouldn't have been playing AFL football on many many occasions during his career and that is absolutely indisputable given the fact that he didn't find a suitor over the trade period and has now been delisted at under 25 years of age. Think about that for a minute. It's near unprecedented.

Honestly, this club make some absolutely bizarre decisions sometimes and they are to blame entirely for the way Oscar was managed, developed and then delisted.

An embarrassment really.

Whilst I was never a fan (and couldn't for the life of me understand why the club wouldn't target a mature-aged stop gap gorilla to allow Oscar to develop in the twos), I wish him all the best in his future endeavours.

One can only hope the club has learnt from this one because they did everyone including Oscar a disservice in the way they managed him.

Sorry, but if you're saying that it's 'near unprecedented' for players to be delisted under 25 years, you have absolutely zero credibility. I'll give you a crack at clarifying, because that's surely not what you actually meant. 

And if you did, between the rest of us I think we could probably come up with 20 names just from our own club this has happened to. Corey Wagner, this year, for a start. 

4 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Thank God. He was a liability for so many years. And it just goes to show how blinded and biased some demonlanders are. For people, including the mfc, to expect to get a trade for OMac highlights just how misguided and biased their opinions are. He was the Jack Watts of the backline. And was gifted most of his games.

Well that’s a pretty dumb statement, given we got a trade for Watts.

5 hours ago, Mach5 said:

All the best to Jesse, hope he gets the support he needs at GWS.

And for those who thought we didn’t win the Hogan trade by getting May... we did.

Nobody questions winning the Hogan trade, it’s giving up a Max King type for May that got people fired up 

Saw Tom in my local cafe today - whatever is happening, he's looking very happy and relaxed. Hope that's a good thing

7 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

This is an incredibly hurtful position to take.

People deal with loss in different ways. People grieve in different ways.

If you managed to move on from your father's death and get to a point where your career is going well, hats off to you.

But the fact you were capable of that doesn't mean everyone else should be as well. 

A "just get over it" attitude like this is not helpful.

That's probably fair enough. I don't think I intended to display a 'just get over it' attitude, but you're probably right. 

I just don't think that was what caused him to blow up his talent, and Melbourne supporters in particular give him an easy out for it. I could easily be wrong. 

8 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Did you also get cancer yourself in the months after your father died from cancer?
Did you have the media always watching and photographing your recreational activities? 
Did you have other pressures from your job playing out publicly?
Did you have other health issues directly related to your job impeding you?
Did you have family pressures forcing you to relocate while experiencing health issues and trauma?

Jesse has made poor choices for sure, and his career will likely be cut short as a result. Your comments however are a bit misguided and insensitive. 

Some of this applies to me, and some obviously doesn't. None of it is that relevant to the point I made though. 

For what it's worth, I agree with you - it's incredibly sad to see where Jesse has ended up. I was beyond excited when he arrived and thought we had landed the next Wayne Carey

I suspect Jesse was heading down the wrong path before all this stuff happened. And his own illness obviously affected his mindset, you're absolutely right. 

I could be wrong, but my gut reaction has always been that it's naive to assume that what happened to Jesse's father destroyed his football career. Who knows I guess. 

3 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Sad the way his career played out. His first few years were brilliant for a young tall forward and he had potential to become an elite KPF of the competition. I feel for him, as he had to deal with some horrible stuff with his fathers death and then his own subsequent illness and fitness. It seems now he's well into the gear to the point where he might not be in the game beyond age 25. Very sad and another talented Melbourne player whose potential went unrealised.

Most people lose their father at some point.

I lost mine in my mid-20s and my career is going along great guns.

I wish we'd all stop making this excuse for him. 

Going out for a pizza will be nice. 

22 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The choice to pick your employer is almost a human right, the AFL did very well to get the restrictions they have in place. Top 4 bans and stuff like that are nonsense. Would never happen.

The issue is the initial free agency was meant to be a stop gap solution for a proper expanded system and its never happened. 
 

Expand restricted free agency back to 5-6 (or even 4) years and then unrestricted free agency after that and the salary cap would be more of an equaliser. 
 

GWS will match and force a trade I’m fairly certain. But if they didn’t match and just signed Cameron then other teams should be able to swoop in and poach a lot of Geelong’s lesser players and hammer their depth. As it stands teams don’t want to do that because they have to give up draft picks. 

This is the key. With the system set up so that only a relatively small number of players make free agency at a time, there's no big batch of players that pop out the back end. In Geelong's case, for example, someone like Esava might take this opportunity to bail but he can't, and other teams can't get him without giving up valuable picks. So he's stuck now behind Hawkins and Cameron, but can't do anything about it for like 4 years

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10 hours ago, A F said:

Handy player, but not for our needs.

Aren't you the one who says about Ben Brown that when great players land on us we don't complain?

I'd much rather Mihocek than Brown...

On 9/14/2020 at 9:19 AM, Superunknown said:

Spoke to brother in law - Pies (yes, yes, I know - my darling wife and their entire family are Pies - a fact she did not disclose on our pre-relationship disclosure form) - about this. He said "you can have him. Can't take a contested mark, soft." I responded "lolz, he will fit in at Melbourne then. " (Self flagellation, it's a Melbourne thing, eh).

 

Anyway, that feedback doesn't accord with what everyone else here says.

Utter nonsense. He's tough as. I'd love him to be squeezed out and I'd have him in a second

3 hours ago, A F said:

Weideman is not a great mark at this stage. He often two grabs contested marks. North have stuffed this up and now his trade value has diminished to our benefit. 

How does a 60+ goal a year forward not suit our game style? This is another artificial barrier. Do people not want to succeed? 

He'd struggle to get within a bull's roar of 60 trying to pick up half volleys off the deck on the lead all season, which is what he'll get if he comes to us. 

3 hours ago, Demons3031 said:

Hi SWYL  I hear where you are coming from on this. Barassi leaving still hurts me a lot. But I'm still grateful for what he gave us and respect him a lot. Being born in 1950 I'm among a few of the older folk on here who have gone through the pain for each of those 56 years. I think I care enough. And  I still think its the right thing to do to congratulate a player on a fine career-even if they end up elsewhere. But I can relate to your feelings about loyalty.

God, why??? Let it go man. 

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Yeah it stinks, but then social media as a whole absolutely stinks.  Gives muppets the opportunity to bleat their thoughts without any real fear of reprisal.  

It's not just social media. Demonland is as bad.