Undeeterred

8 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Did you also get cancer yourself in the months after your father died from cancer?
Did you have the media always watching and photographing your recreational activities? 
Did you have other pressures from your job playing out publicly?
Did you have other health issues directly related to your job impeding you?
Did you have family pressures forcing you to relocate while experiencing health issues and trauma?

Jesse has made poor choices for sure, and his career will likely be cut short as a result. Your comments however are a bit misguided and insensitive. 

Some of this applies to me, and some obviously doesn't. None of it is that relevant to the point I made though. 

For what it's worth, I agree with you - it's incredibly sad to see where Jesse has ended up. I was beyond excited when he arrived and thought we had landed the next Wayne Carey

I suspect Jesse was heading down the wrong path before all this stuff happened. And his own illness obviously affected his mindset, you're absolutely right. 

I could be wrong, but my gut reaction has always been that it's naive to assume that what happened to Jesse's father destroyed his football career. Who knows I guess. 

3 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Sad the way his career played out. His first few years were brilliant for a young tall forward and he had potential to become an elite KPF of the competition. I feel for him, as he had to deal with some horrible stuff with his fathers death and then his own subsequent illness and fitness. It seems now he's well into the gear to the point where he might not be in the game beyond age 25. Very sad and another talented Melbourne player whose potential went unrealised.

Most people lose their father at some point.

I lost mine in my mid-20s and my career is going along great guns.

I wish we'd all stop making this excuse for him. 

Going out for a pizza will be nice. 

22 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The choice to pick your employer is almost a human right, the AFL did very well to get the restrictions they have in place. Top 4 bans and stuff like that are nonsense. Would never happen.

The issue is the initial free agency was meant to be a stop gap solution for a proper expanded system and its never happened. 
 

Expand restricted free agency back to 5-6 (or even 4) years and then unrestricted free agency after that and the salary cap would be more of an equaliser. 
 

GWS will match and force a trade I’m fairly certain. But if they didn’t match and just signed Cameron then other teams should be able to swoop in and poach a lot of Geelong’s lesser players and hammer their depth. As it stands teams don’t want to do that because they have to give up draft picks. 

This is the key. With the system set up so that only a relatively small number of players make free agency at a time, there's no big batch of players that pop out the back end. In Geelong's case, for example, someone like Esava might take this opportunity to bail but he can't, and other teams can't get him without giving up valuable picks. So he's stuck now behind Hawkins and Cameron, but can't do anything about it for like 4 years

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10 hours ago, A F said:

Handy player, but not for our needs.

Aren't you the one who says about Ben Brown that when great players land on us we don't complain?

I'd much rather Mihocek than Brown...

On 9/14/2020 at 9:19 AM, Superunknown said:

Spoke to brother in law - Pies (yes, yes, I know - my darling wife and their entire family are Pies - a fact she did not disclose on our pre-relationship disclosure form) - about this. He said "you can have him. Can't take a contested mark, soft." I responded "lolz, he will fit in at Melbourne then. " (Self flagellation, it's a Melbourne thing, eh).

 

Anyway, that feedback doesn't accord with what everyone else here says.

Utter nonsense. He's tough as. I'd love him to be squeezed out and I'd have him in a second

3 hours ago, A F said:

Weideman is not a great mark at this stage. He often two grabs contested marks. North have stuffed this up and now his trade value has diminished to our benefit. 

How does a 60+ goal a year forward not suit our game style? This is another artificial barrier. Do people not want to succeed? 

He'd struggle to get within a bull's roar of 60 trying to pick up half volleys off the deck on the lead all season, which is what he'll get if he comes to us. 

3 hours ago, Demons3031 said:

Hi SWYL  I hear where you are coming from on this. Barassi leaving still hurts me a lot. But I'm still grateful for what he gave us and respect him a lot. Being born in 1950 I'm among a few of the older folk on here who have gone through the pain for each of those 56 years. I think I care enough. And  I still think its the right thing to do to congratulate a player on a fine career-even if they end up elsewhere. But I can relate to your feelings about loyalty.

God, why??? Let it go man. 

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Yeah it stinks, but then social media as a whole absolutely stinks.  Gives muppets the opportunity to bleat their thoughts without any real fear of reprisal.  

It's not just social media. Demonland is as bad. 

13 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Add Aaron vandenBerg to your list.

And Jack Grimes, although that was navicular as well

How on earth did it come to this??

On 9/6/2020 at 9:46 PM, Dr. Gonzo said:

It was a bit of an offhand comment by Dermie which he was called out on and asked to name names. When pushed on it he mentioned Fritsch only because King had said the same thing a couple of weeks earlier. When pushed further he mentioned Salem and Harmes who he didnt know by name initially. It was a bit if typical Derm bravado that he was called on and then just chucked out a couple of names that wouldn't cause too much controversy.

Ah, I see. What an [censored] that man is.

On 9/7/2020 at 3:19 AM, Grr-owl said:

We got to get him back into the club ASAP. 

Why would he? He's having a ball in the media, probably earning a fortune. He's probably happy he's left this basket case of a club.

6 hours ago, My name is legion said:

Fritsch needs to beef up a bit and learn to tackle hard with two arms.

Completely agree. My comment was about Salem. 

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

He was talking specifically about players who don't tackle hard enough/have tackles broken too easily

Fair enough. My comment still holds on that measure too

3 hours ago, joeboy said:

Normally I’d agree with your response to the three ‘experts’ but in reality, after watching the aforementioned discussion, I think they nailed it on the head.

They used words like fickle, untrustworthy, flaky, mentally weak, and actually named Fritsch, and Salem, as prime examples, and the playing of an obviously injured Jones against Sydney as further evidence 

i personally had no argument with their cases

Salem wouldn't be in the Top 20 at Melbourne for flakiness. To single him out is absurd.

2 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

All you have to do is give your all  bust your gut, play for the Jumper and make us proud.

Why? Why is this a condiion of you not being hounded and abused in your workplace? 

Comments like this are ridiculous.

Imagine I put your photo on Facebook every time you did something stupid at work. 

17 minutes ago, Gunna’s said:

Ridiculous to think there wouldn’t be an impact. Hopefully we are staying up there. Haven’t heard that confirmed as of yet. 

Both teams flew up there on the same plane today 

I can’t get over Trac’s last goal. That was insane.

He is constantly out wide bailing out the likes of May or Oliver when they’ve dug it out of the trenches Then all of a sudden he bobs up 8 seconds later at the other end of the ground to receive again and you think Christ how did he run faster than the ball? And how is he always on his own?

Apart from the odd shank has been absolutely bloody brilliant for us this year. 

33 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I reckon he’s the best player in the comp.

Love the bloke. He’s my favourite player.

 

I completely agree. Absolutely love him.

He’s as incredibly accurate field kick for a guy his size and position. He took 6 intercept marks tonight and attacks the footy beautifully.

He doesn’t get the credit outside here but I think he’s been our most important player all season.

13 minutes ago, 4_Kent_Watts said:

 Ratten should go back to Carlton he doesn't belong in St.Kilda. Cleary his eyesight is gone, I saw it over the line and called a goal but why wasn't it paid a mark it was wasnt it or do I have Rattens glasses on. Close to goal of the year. 

Best user name on this forum, just quietly

He'd probably go better in Melbourne under COVID restrictions where he's not allowed to leave the house after 8pm

On 8/21/2020 at 8:57 PM, John Demonic said:

If he wasn't named Harley Bennell, and we were just talking about some bloke from Freo with off field issues, injury problems and who is struggling for a game so badly that he's possibly being switched ends; there's no way this thread is going the way it is so far.

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