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Matty Wade seems open to showing people the sights :D If you ever get a chance to come down when Dark Mofo is on, it's a unique experience!
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Haha, that was a crazy night, so the fact that I can remember it suggests that it wasn't 'typical' footy night. It does get cold,... that said I don't think we have anything on Canberra... ;) and I don't think we've had snow in a game before. do also recall a game between Nth and I think WCE at Blundstone where it was the first time I've see a player try to kick it for (admittedly it went very high) and the ball landed behind him due to the wind pushing it behind him....
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I chatted to a work mate who is involved with the Nth Hobart footy club juniors, since the announcement was made, they are already fielding enquiries from people wanting to participate in Auskick, u8s and up. Some junior clubs, even thought they are 4-5 weeks into the season are discussing how best to manage the increased interest because they might have enough players to start fielding additional teams into competitions.
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Huh what points? Media rights? That wasn't even a point, barely a sentence.... and eyeballs? 560k Tassie people, thats at least 2 million eyeballs we have (and Tasmanians can make that joke!) Go home factor? seriously thats been something happening for years, it's not new, but more importantly it isn't valid in that he states Qld and WA players want to go home, hmm, so do Vic players and SA players. But apparently this is somehow more valid because of Tassie and his dislike of the state. The issue is more the tone of 'Imagine 20 year olds sent to Tassie wanting to stay past 2 years' Tasmania is no longer a convict settlement... that view is rude and pathetic and as I called out wrong. Today is a hugely significant day for the AFL, for Tasmania, the people, the former players and it's just tiring listening to someone constantly troll and slag off Tasmania or the team that is coming.
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Old Dee, you are exceptionally negative... and wrong. I was going to attempt to dispute or sway your perspective, but I've come to realise there is no point,. you appear to love wallowing in negative & pessimistic thoughts. Hope the significance of today, and the joy of the AFL community doesn't disrupt your day too much.
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Hi Jaded, Really good question, and something that I have been thinking about over the last couple of weeks. Would be interested to hear @Clintosaurus thoughts too. I will buy a Tassie membership yes. Would my allegiance swap, I don't really know, but overtime, I suspect that it would probably. That said, knowing that we had so many Tassie players (or tassie born players) being stars for the Demons over my years, it's pretty incredible to think that Lyon and Neitz were both Tassie born, we had the Febey twins, Andy Lovell, Russell Robertson, Ben Beams, Brad Green, Jeremy Howe, Garland, Lamprill. But there were players before that like Ray Groom, Stuart Spencer, Ivor Warne-Smith, MaX Walker, Bob Johnson... Our club has had a strong linkage with Tassie players, as has St Kilda, Richmond and many of the Melbourne Clubs in truth. Riewoldt x 2, Peter & Paul Hudson, Alistair Lynch, Richo, ... Anyway, I don't think I'd lose the fondness for Melbourne, but I think I would grow a strong attachment to the new team (plus working a 5 minute walk from Macquarie Point) is certainly appealing.
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Don't think there is a carrot really. It's more that the AFL is not prepared to remove any existing teams to better spread things out are they?
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Really I think the main issue with the NT is that their domestic season is not in sync with the AFL, they play through largely our 'summer' don't they?
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This is not a valid argument for 19 nor 20 teams. When we were an 18 team comp there were 18 million people in Aus. There are now 26 million people... we are looking for 70-80 players.
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Well this took a strange turn. Alan Joyce out, new CEO in. Any other boards that Goyder is chair of that we should expect a new CEO to pop up tomorrow with? The words Richard Goyder used are pretty similar, i.e we conducted an extensive search, we believe we have the best candidate etc etc, which i am sure they believe....
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Almost 100% certain that when the team is ratified by the commission that Peter Gutwein will be odds on favourite to be the sides' first Chairman, and Gale will be courted heavily for the CEO role. Given where the Tigers are (downwards trajectory) and Gale not getting the AFL role, it is almost convenient ;).
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Razor just warming up to the spotlight that he craves… Will be hoping to chat to Whately this week about how well he umpired, and whether his mic was loud enough.
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I don't necessarily disagree or agree on the location, but lets face it, The Stadium could not have been built ANYWHERE in Hobart with the argument on the funding coming into play, or people claiming that the funding should be used elsewhere. I also don't disagree that 18 teams, or more specifically even numbers of teams is a better fit, but the AFL will now accelerate the 20th team coming in. with 2 extra teams, I can see the season being pared back to a 19 game season, or division/conferences. However, and I think you agree, that argument is should not be put at the feet of the Tasmanian team. Agree that the talent isn't the concern either! 👍
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Would have been a great idea.... except the again, we have a few NIMBYs in Tas, and they blocked the cable car prosposal,... apparently the view of the mountain wasn't allowed to have a cable car.
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Agreed, it's similar the other week where Gawny stayed back 90 minutes or longer after a clinic to ensure that every single kid that wanted a signature was able to get one, the impression that leaves on the kids, but the rest of the family is immeasurable.
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Except the Fed govt has a public housing program that it is already working on. The other options for stadiums is what exactly? Bellerive? Has no parking options anywhere near, and it's a suburban ground, and is in a suburb that has a disproportionate number of NIMBYs. Where else? UTAS Stadium? please if we put an AFL team outside of the capital it will never work. Nth Hobart? Lauderdale? Glenorchy? where are you talking about other options??, but regardless the pricing is what the pricing is to build a stadium. How much is the MCC going to spend on the new development for the MCG? is that needed? how much will that cost? https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-mcg-redevelopment-plans-photos-capacity-barbecues-hotel-renders-when-will-it-happen/news-story/091187d45cef48168dc87dac718ac5e6 I mean seriously $1billion to get the capacity up by 6-8k... and for what? rooftop lighting and BBQs? How much social housing could the Andrew's Govt achieve with that? No one seemingly complains about the costs of this type of thing in Melbourne. The AFL Grassroots funding is coming as a part of this whole arrangement, but if the pinnacle is for our players to just be picked up and play on the mainland... it's not going to work, because it has not worked ever! Look at the Jack Jumpers, it took that team to be here, part of Hobart, part of Tasmania for the growth to occur. 46% growth in club teams and growth in 2 seasons.... That wasn't happening until the team arrived. This stadium has govt, corporate, and AFL funding. ALL major works such as this has that type of arrangement, so yeah it does kinda sound familiar cos thats how things work in the real world, rather than in an 'ideal world'.
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Umm, yes absolutely. The AFL, Tas Gov and the people behind the business case have been lobbying for years for this. The AFL would be backing the yes campaign regardless, as are most sports codes. The Lib party in Tas is more centre than right wing and always has been.... every other state is backing it too (albeit they are labor) You make it sound like the Tas Govt and the AFL are the only ones backing that campaign... Politics is unavoidable in decisions like this. The MFC are, and will continue to be furiously campaigning for funding for it's new base with the Vic Govt and possibly the feds as well, should they stop?
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Actually I think Hobart (or greater Hobart) is basically identical, But the team in Geelong has had a little more of a headstart with people following them than the tassie team ;) More importantly, it's about perception with TV broadcasts too.... if the stadium is constantly 80% full, the ambience, the sound, the visual appeal is so much greater than a big stadium with huge gaps. We all saw that in COVID and it was horrible.
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I'm not sure re Marvel, but I think that is what the A League were indicating, it's actually trying to get the people closer to the game. I think the biggest concern with A League and afl there is the overlap on attempting to schedule fixturing across codes.
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No, the existing stadiums are not up to it. Bellerive's in the suburbs, has covenants that prevent it being used as much as it would need to be, and this team cannot be based in Launceston. They do need a stadium, there are a bunch of people that don't want it built where it is currently, but I'm sorry you won't build too much 'affordable' housing on the waterfront. It's not going to be affordable for long. Other people saying that we should be investing in other things such as housing, health etc. I appreciate that concern too, however it's not like the money from the Feds (240 mil) or the money that the AFL will invest over the next 10 years will get allocated to this.
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Why? No offence but you really should stop looking at this from a Melb/Mainland centric view of 'success'. This post is probably a bit of a wider perspective for several of the people this week being incredibly pessimistic about this announcement. Tas population is approximately 540k. Greater Hobart is basically half of that. So, a stadium of 23k represents about 1/10th of the population, Personally I would prefer they were closer to 27-30k. Using your own logic, should the MCG have a capacity of 500k? because the greater Melb population is 5mil. This team will be designed to be more like Geelong, and they have done extensive modelling by looking at the Green Bay Packers model in the US, arguable the most successful team based in a 'small town' IMO. Kardinia park has had several upgrades over recent decades but that was getting it from what approximately 26k through now to possibly 40k. Why would this stadium need to be more than Kardinia Park from the outset? Let the club grow, also having a huge capacity ground that is half empty would be bad design. Anyone see round 1 game at GWS this year? I'd prefer the Tas team playing in a 23k capacity ground and having it near capacity for most home games rather than being half empty and 50k. I've seen a lot of people moan about the dilution of the talent pool, Population in the last 10 years has gone from 23mil to just under 27mil. The diversity of players (both men and womens) has never been greater. Clubs have to turn over more players each season combined than it takes to fill another AFL list, and whilst I think the way that GWS and Gold Coast got special access wasn't done right, I think a model that gives Tassie access to a pool of picks with an expectation to on trade them to other clubs would more than offset that nervousness. Just a few of other thoughts, this team before it plays it's first game, I would seriously be surprised if the team doesn't have a higher membership than the Gold Coast and GWS. Secondly, Tasmania in general has been starved of national sport outside of cricket. Look at the success that has occured in the NBL with the Jackjumpers, first 2 seasons and this club massively overachieved on the court getting to the finals in both seasons. But off the court has been crazy, in this last season, it sold out it's memberships in 26 minutes, almost every home game has been a sell out, the stadium has needed to be upgraded quicker than planned. Then there are the other aspects here. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-04/jackjumpers-success-causes-grassroots-basketball-pain/101917976 Participation up by 46% in the north of the state with 500 teams wanting to play. Basketball Tasmania requiring a further 26 courts across the state to cater for demand. Thats 2 years! The announcement of this stadium has now prompted the head of the A-League to jump up and insist that the ground is able to be configured to play soccer also, why would that be the case do you think? Tasmania is a state that has a small population, but has often punched well above it's weight with many sports. Cricket and AFL in particular, Grassroots football is not doing well down here, and as a result the number of AFL players being drafted is sadly lacking, but bring a team in (hopefully 2027 or 2028) but bring it through the VFL, and prioritise the talent pathways immediately both for girls and boys and that will change incredibly fast. Hawthorn and North Melbourne as clubs would have struggled to survive without Tas Govt funding, I have no doubt that the flow on effects of having the games played here beneficial to the state, but I'm sick of it TBH, I'd prefer a Tas side. Furthermore don't get dragged into the commentary that the games like the Hawks v Adelaide ar ein front of small crowds, and thats indicative of what a Tassie side would end up playing in front of. Thats like me saying go and watch North v Freo at the MCG , oh and you better bloody enjoy it and be greatful for how AFL football is being bought to you. Tasmania doesn't want North, Hawthorn, or the dregs of a failed venture from anywhere else. They want a Tasmanian team, we deserve a Tasmanian team, and this stadium and the plan that has been put in place should give it the best chance of success (as a club) who knows about the on field success. Also if James Sicily is reading this, given that my perception is that AFL players play golf, go to cafe's, surf or play playstation in their downtime, I am pretty confident that Tasmania has most of that covered. Oh and Old Dee this ones for you, your comment that Tasmania is overcast and cold most of the year perhaps is one of the more ill informed comments I've seen from you recently, which is saying something. Does it get cold in the winter, sure. Do we get wind, yeah, but unless you were one of the contestants on 'Alone' down in the SW of Tas, you are simply just wrong. Hobart's climate is not that dissimilar to Melbourne (less rain in winter, and perhaps a degree or two colder, but better air quality) ... and no we don't want Tarryn back thanks! :)
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you can't be serious can you? they can cos they don't care. How many games have we played at Kardinia Park over the last 10 years. How many have Collingwood, Carlton or Essendon played @ the cattery?
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are many of us here complaining that it's too harsh? and those who are (perhaps look @ their usernames :D) If anything I think most are saying that Buddy's is too lenient, rather than the other way around.
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I agree 100%, Buddy lined up the Sydney player, and he copped the point of the shoulder on his chin. People also trying to justify it with Buddy being tall and head high contact will always be harder... Sam Collins is 194 key defender and wasn't bent over the ball. Am also curious to see how Shane McAdam's bump will get graded, a very similar launching with the shoulder up at the player to Pickett's, but the player was hurt, he came off a very long run up to line up the player, unlike Pickett though, surely cannot be considered careless.