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This is a bit of general question not specific to this game, but which of our players do you guys think gets the most out of himself with the least natural footballing talent? (I mean this in a complimentary way!) Thought this might generate some discussion from a different angle. Keep up the great work.

Obviously not all Tasmanians drafted will play there, but still. In recent times, especially good defensive players, for some reason: From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/the-best-towns-and-suburbs-for-building-afl-talent/101055164

Round 5 v Southern Saints Match report I watched on via the live stream this week as the Demons took on the Saints in uncharacteristically calm conditions at Casey Fields. Both teams fielded just two AFLW-listed players each. A notable absence for the Demons was Burke, who has provided most of Casey’s scoring power so far in the season. Q1 Casey likely wanted a good start after a couple of slow ones but the Saints still struck early, though Casey hit back quickly with a goal through Keohane. The Saints looked more structured going forward and had more of the play and territory for the majority of the quarter. A great intercept mark by Hogg and precise pass forward at pace with five minutes to go allowed Casey to keep the ball trapped inside fifty for the remainder of the quarter. The Demons had the wall set up outside fifty, but not much to go to in the way of marking targets. There were a few late chances from a deep stoppage but only behinds resulted. Saints by 5 points. Q2 Casey spent much of the early stages struggling to exit defensive fifty, though the Saints failed to capitalise, with a poor set shot and an almost-incredible snap from the boundary. A badly directed kick-out put Casey back under pressure immediately and that was the theme of the game, while the Saints were able to lead up to the footy and find space. The Demons were outnumbered at the ball and lucky to only concede one goal in the quarter. Saints by 13 points. Q3 The Saints got it straight out of the centre again to start the quarter. Casey desperately needed to find some more composed possession to escape the Saints’ pressure (tackles 41-80 by game’s end). Casey finally with some good ball movement forward via a nice kick from Wilson and mark to Gall and then quick play on to Kirkwood, only to be stymied again at the fifty. Great back-to-back smothers B.Smith then Kirkwood showed great intent, but an excellent goal from Burke for the Saints all but sealed the deal. Saints by 25. Q4 The Saints retained the ascendancy out of the middle and a lack of lead-up forwards continued to cause issues for the Demons. Some welcome forward connection saw Fairchild take a mark but a behind was the only eventual result. Late in the game, Gall found some space and made the most of it, taking a nice mark and quickly taking a set shot with confidence. But the Saints were quick to reply—their sustained pressure throughout the game must be commended as well as their ball movement going forward. Casey had the bulk of the hit-outs in the ruck (40-26) but the Saints were clearly on top once it hit the deck (29-37 clearances), and the big ruck in Swain’s height advantage wasn’t well utilised as a target down the line. The forwards were starved of opportunity and when the ball did arrive, it certainly wasn’t on a platter. Now on a three-game losing streak, the Demons have some work to do. Hopefully experience is growing in dealing with pressure on the ball carrier and some more cohesion is on its way as the team gels. FINAL SCORE: Casey Demons 2.5.17 Southern Saints 9.5.59 Casey goalkickers: Keohane Gall VFLW standouts: Danckert – 19 disposals, 6 tackles, 7 clearances. Very busy and some strong tackling for the ex-Suns AFLW player. Woolcock – 16 disposals, 3 marks, 4 tackles. Worked hard in defence under a lot of pressure. Fairchild – 16 disposals, 3 tackles. Tried hard and had some good clean touches, which were hard to come by. Neal – 11 disposals, 4 tackles. Didn’t get heaps of the ball but did a lot of the heavy lifting around the contest. Kirkwood – 11 disposals, 3 tackles. Smart and hardworking, did her best to kickstart her teammates. AFLW listed: Gall – 1 goal, 5 disposals, 2 marks. Played up forward, looked a bit off the pace at times and would have liked to be more of a marking target. Wilson – 14 disposals, 6 marks. Stood up strong in defence. Moved onto the ball in the second half for some more class there, which left a gap down back. Next week: vs. Box Hill (2-2-1) Sunday 30th of April, 11.30AM Wonthaggi Recreation Reserve

Some more happy off-season news. This little one's already "played" a couple of games in utero, so surely a Demon for life, right?

Thanks for the podcast, lots of questions already, but if you get time - One aspect of our premiership year that I thought was crucial was our ability to wrest back control of games when things got out of hand. We seemed to have a real focus on playing different tempos to respond to what was happening in the game, positive and negative, i.e., capitalise on momentum when we had it, slow things down periodically when the opposition had a run on, know when to go all-out and when to take a breather and re-calibrate. Do you think that's something lacking at the moment, and if so, is it a stand-alone thing or a symptom of other issues (leadership?). Or perhaps are we prioritising something else that fits better with the 2023 game style we're trying to achieve?

Round 4 v Essendon Match report Unfortunately, another one I'm not going to be able to watch due to time constraints - and after spoiling myself on the result! The scoreline suggests another slow start, with the Bombers scoring 2.6 goals to 0.0 in the first. A stronger second quarter brought the Dees to seven points down at halftime. After a stalemate in the third, the Dees kicked 2.0 to one behind in the last, just falling short by two points at the final siren. Clearly, Essendon wracked up the scoring shots and their inaccuracy must have kept us in it to some extent. Casey shared the goalkicking load with five individual goalkickers. Would love to hear the thoughts of anyone who watched the game! ROUND 3 FINAL SCORE Essendon 4.13.37 Casey 5.5.35 Casey goalkickers: Burke Fitzsimon Keohane O'Neill Woolcock VFLW stats standouts: Burke – leads the VFLW goalkicking with 7 goals after Round 4 Fairchild – 12 disposals, 8 tackles Keohane – 1 goal, 14 disposals, 5 marks Kinnane – 13 disposals, 10 tackles Swaine – 25 hit outs, 5 clearances AFLW listed: Bannan – 20 disposals, 5 marks, 7 tackles, 9 clearances Fitzsimon – 1 goal, 23 disposals, 5 clearances Gall – 12 disposals, 7 tackles Wilson – 15 disposals, 5 marks Next week: v. Southern Saints (2-2) Sunday 23rd of April, 10:30AM Casey Fields

Not my finest hour, but I admit my mind drifted to such tactics in the long nervous lead-up to the GF in 2021. It was my over-riding memory of how Essendon won in 2000 (i.e., beat up our kids). Now, of course, I realise they were always going to win, which only made their tactics more reprehensible. And in a less desperate state of mind, I'm very glad we didn't resort to that in '21...although I know Viney for one was keen on a first bounce 'statement'. At the very least, Grand Final suspensions should be triple points, like double points for driving offenses on public holidays.

Ah yes, kind of a crucial detail I left out there! ROUND 3 FINAL SCORE Casey 3.7.25 Collingwood 6.6.42

Round 3 v Collingwood Match report I only managed to tune in for the last quarter of this one. Casey had a slow start on the scoreboard, but by the time I was watching, they were putting up a good fight and matching it with the Pies at least in intensity. A lot of turnover in players from last week to this one, so there was probably some adjustment in that sense, particularly in the midfield (taking out Gillard, West and Goldrick). But lots to build on for the Dees and good to see some more VFLW-listed players getting a run. Take away the slow start, add in some more cohesion and goalkicking accuracy, and we weren't far off it. Team stats ended up fairly even considering the lopsided start, though Collingwood had the ascendancy in tackles and marks. Strong and consistent starts to the season by Fitzsimon, Burke and Neal. Casey goalkickers: Burke 2, Bannan VFLW stats standouts: Neal – 17 disposals, 6 tackles, 5 clearances Swain – 15 disposals, 23 hit outs, 7 clearances Burke – 2 goals, 15 disposals, 5 marks Woolcock – 14 disposals, 7 tackles Keohane - 9 disposals, 8 tackles, 3 clearances AFLW listed: Bannan – 1 goal, 11 disposals, 3 marks, 2 tackles Campbell – 2 disposals, 3 tackles, 6 hit outs Fitzsimon – 27 disposals, 2 marks, 7 tackles, 8 clearances Wilson – 6 disposals, 3 marks, 3 tackles Next week: v. Essendon (0-2-1) Sunday 16th of April, 11:00AM NEC Hangar

Situations like this disturb me. Not the Collingwood bit, but the idea that you could lose four kids to other teams like that. It's a reminder to as all to remain ever-vigilant over the young demons in our lives. Yep, I came in under the supporter father&mother-daughter rule. Both passionate fans. No torn allegiances, or put another way, no choice!

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Round 2 v Darebin Match report Full disclosure, I haven’t actually watched this game, but I get the sense that the score probably tells much of the tale. Nearly fell out of my seat checking this on the train home after the men’s game yesterday! Obviously, we had a bit of a stacked team comparatively in terms of AFLW experience and likely VFLW experience as well. I’m sure that Darebin is doing what they’ve always been known for, which is developing young talent that goes onto greater things elsewhere, as we’ve seen first-hand at the Dees. So much respect for that club and I hope they remain supported in all they do. Naturally the stats are dominated by some big AFLW names, but it’s also good to see that even though there’s a drop-off after that, there’s an even spread across the rest—aside from the defenders, and we can guess why that might be the case (48-9 inside-50s). Casey goalkickers: Fitzsimon 4, Burke Bannan 3, O’Neill Lehman Keohane 2 West Goldrick Gall (Ireland can lay claim to 42% of our goals this week!) VFLW stats standouts: Burke – 3 goals, 11 disposals O’Neill – 2 goals, 8 disposals Lehman – 2 goals, 10 disposals Neal – 13 disposals, 13 tackles Kirkwood – 13 disposals, 4 marks Keohane – 2 goals, 13 disposals AFLW listed: Bannan – 3 goals, 12 disposals, 3 marks, 3 tackles Campbell – 10 disposals, 2 marks, 16 hit outs Chaplin – 14 disposals, 3 marks Fitzsimon – 4 goals, 21 disposals, 4 marks, 5 tackles, 4 clearances Gall – 1 goal, 10 disposals, 2 marks Gillard – 16 disposals, 4 marks, 4 tackles, 42 hitouts, 3 clearances Goldrick – 1 goal, 27 disposals, 3 marks, 5 tackles, 8 clearances West – 1 goal, 31 disposals, 6 tackles, 9 clearances Next week: v. Collingwood (1-1) Friday 7th of April, 12:00PM Casey Fields

The Mackin Family candy store - love it! Sounds like she'll be playing forward, really exciting. Take full credit! :D Do your think clubs in Ireland will start taking measures to prevent this? They've been very accommodating with AFLW so far, but I saw somewhere that there are 11 new Irish signings for 2023, in addition to the players already on lists, so I'm wondering if there'll be a response. Although maybe there's already an unspoken agreement at some clubs (i.e., if you go to play AFLW, you won't have a spot when you come back)? Which would be understandable! Obviously if someone wants to go, you can't stop them, but it feels like they've made it easy so far.

Yep, rookies are included in the list of 30. To be eligible as a rookie, a player must not have played Australian rules football in the last 3 years or been involved in a talent pathway. So with the small list size, if you can get 2 rookies who are playing regularly in your team and performing well (i.e., last season we had B.Mackin and West), at this stage of the competition and in a strong team, it's a real bonus - one that we've made excellent use of pretty much every season to get some real talent rather than just development types. I'd also imagine that new rookies at least would be on the lowest payment tier, so that helps us out too. Presumably both Mackins will be the rookies for 2023, so yes, I think West will be elevated.

"Mackin is the older sister of premiership player Blaithin, with the two set to become the first representative siblings in the Demons’ AFLW program. Mackin, who also plays for Armagh in Ladies Gaelic Football (LGFA), will make the trip down under at the conclusion of the county’s 2023 Championship campaign. Mackin is regarded as one of the star players of the Gaelic competition, most notably recognised as the 2020 Senior Players’ Player of the Year – the equivalent of the league’s Best and Fairest or Brownlow Medal. She has three All-Star selections to her name, reflective of the AFLW’s All-Australian honours, as well as international experience in soccer as a junior." Love this! If she takes to the game anything like Blaithin did, we're in for something special. Also, we're presumably getting her as a rookie, so great for list management. That brings our list to 30, so we won't be participating in the Supplementary Draft on Tuesday.

True, good point. We definitely have players with that in spades and it's important to pass on. I also hope there's some consistency in game style and the coaching approach between teams. Yeah, there's certainly a big gap between the two levels. VFLW's been held back quite a bit by the COVID-interrupted years but hopefully can get stronger, which will feed into AFLW as well. I had #6 as Kirkwood too, which was as listed. Stats here: https://www.afl.com.au/vflw/matches/5105#player-stats

I don't know if there's any limit on how many AFLW players a team can play in total. So theoretically, I think you could have all your AFLW players have a game if they wanted to. For us, we seem to approach VFLW as an opportunity to look at untried talent, give the fringe players a go and get in the kind of development for younger players that you can't really do in a short and cut-throat AFLW season. And then mostly use VFLW players for any finals that eventuate. By finals last season, there were few AFLW-listed players involved. The common denominator for those mentioned by poita is that all are in the 0-40 career games range (for context, most of our core players are now at 40-65 games). Obviously the young ones are in there for development. West (25 games) might seem like an outlier in that she's obviously a key cog for us. But she's still relatively inexperienced. Goldrick is another one like that - she was excellent on the weekend, but the slower pace doesn't just allow her to have a big impact, it also means she can work on those flaws in her game that come from not growing up with it. Heath is the most experienced of the players mentioned but played midfield, so it's a way to build depth like that too I guess. Or maybe she just couldn't face not tackling anyone for six months?

Round 1 v Western Bulldogs Match report Casey appeared stronger over the footy and better organised early, getting out to a two-goal lead before the Bulldogs found some space to hit back. They profited off some quick ball movement off the turnover, while Casey generally looked better by foot. The second quarter was a bit of a stalemate, with both teams having their fair share of it. Casey’s goal came off the back of steady ball movement from end to end. The Dogs came out firing in the second half with a quick goal, but the Dees then kept the ball trapped forward for an extended period. When the ball did leak out, a double 50—brought about initially due to a Goldrick-wary Bulldog entering the protected area—resulted in a shot on goal for Woolcock, which fell short and was snaffled by the Irishwoman Burke who kicked truly around the corner to put Casey in front. A delightful three-bounce run down the middle by Heath soon after was a match highlight. Meanwhile, Casey was in control, though not yet on the scoreboard, with a three-point lead heading into the final change. Casey had much of the possession early in the last. When the Dogs did get it forward, the Demons were desperate. At the other end, however, many chances went begging without landing the final blow. There were some nervous moments when the Bulldogs went forward late, but a centring kick from Heath with a minute to go allowed Goldrick to dash through the corridor. After a bit of messing around in the forward fifty and a failed rebound by the Dogs, Heath brought the ball back inside where Conroy gathered a somewhat fortuitous bounce and nailed a spot-on handpass to Neal for the sealer—with mere seconds remaining. In a tale as old as time, the Bulldogs probably didn’t make the most of their opportunities when they had momentum, while Casey had the tank and structure to be in control for longer, leading to sheer weight of scoring chances winning out. FINAL SCORE: Western Bulldogs 4.4.28 Casey Demons 5.12.42 VFLW standouts: Neal – Prominent and impactful. 17 disposals, 7 tackles, 5 clearances and 1 goal. Lehman – Led up well and created plenty of opportunities. Lots to build on. 12 disposals, 5 marks, 1 goal. Hogg – A solid contributor as always. 16 disposals, 4 marks Kirkwood – A reliable performance. 14 disposals, 6 marks, 6 tackles Burke – Showed off a big kick and some nous around goals. 9 disposals, 5 tackles, 1 goal. AFLW listed: Gall – Played back and forward, reads it well. 13 disposals, 5 marks, 3 tackles Heath – Midfield, a class above. Team-high 23 disposals, 4 tackles. Gillard – Backline then ruck, a big presence there and at ground level. 10 disposals, 22 hit outs. Goldrick – Midfield but was everywhere, hitting the scoreboard, dropping back, deft passes by foot. 21 disposals, 5 tackles, 4 clearances, 2 goals. Chaplin – Backline and some midfield time. Her defend/attack balance is great off half-back. 11 disposals, 4 tackles. Campbell – Ruck and forward. Made some good contests. 5 disposals, 4 tackles, 11 hit outs. Disclaimer: I spent much of this stream trying to match numbers to players to positions, using the team sheet provided online, which was clearly not reflective of reality. I think I got it mostly sorted by the end. Next week: vs. Darebin Sunday 2nd of April, 2.30PM Casey Fields

Don't like this. Don't like it at all.

After an 11-3 season before bowing out in the Prelims in 2022 (after two finals losses, in an absolutely wild finals system!) Casey will be looking to go a few better in 2023. The Casey VFLW program has been a great launching pad for players in recent years, with many going on to be signed on either at the Demons or elsewhere. This also means there's been a fair amount of turnover in players heading into 2023, with lots of new faces to join some long-standing stalwarts. This season we've got an influx of Irish players, and if the senior team's anything to go by, maybe we'll unearth another couple of premiership players. Rest of the squad here: https://www.melbournefc.com.au/teams/casey-demons/squads/vflw Leadership group: Ally Kirkwood (c), Mel Hogg (vc), Ali Dowler, Kaitlyn Carew and Brooke Borchard. Round 1 vs. Western Bulldogs Sunday 26th of March, 12.30PM Mars Stadium (Ballarat)

From seasons gone by, we tend to add in some younger/less experienced AFLW players in the middle of the VFLW season and cycle them through. Not sure of the caps on that - probably stricter with all teams now in the AFLW and no need for a 'practice run' for teams like Essendon and Hawthorn like last season. With AFLW pre-season now overlapping, like last year, I imagine it will mostly be the VFLW list to compete in any finals. I should start a VFLW thread...

She served us well and I enjoyed watching her play - always gave her all. Was sorry to see her go at the time but in retrospect it was one of several trades around that time that set us up for success and showed our recruiters' savvy about the way the league was trending in talent and skills, while other clubs lagged a bit.

Late to the game here, and others have it covered, but since you asked, my straight-up reflex answer also would have been "Go Dees". I believe it's the collective noun for multiple Melbourne players haha. It's nice not to always be qualified by your gender, ya know? They've heard all the "lay-dees" punny ones before and I would hope we've moved on from the novelty factor of that ever so slightly. For what it's worth, "girls" doesn't actually bother me personally in this casual sporting context (can only speak for myself, of course). And, yeah, it really is all about context. Like, it's jarring to hear 25-year-old male players being called "boys" after some unseemly incident, as a way to emphasise their youth and deflect accountability. Much of it's in the tone too. Women know when someone is using "girls" to belittle them, and I doubt a passionate binman calling over the fence celebrating our club's second premiership in two years would give that effect. BUT if you're not comfortable in yelling "Go girls!" but want to be respectful while saying something gender-specific for whatever reason (like, I don't know, the men's team is also walking past and you don't want to support them haha?!), a tried and true classic that will signal to the players that you "get it" would be a hearty and enthusiastic "Yeah the girls!" That's become a bit of a rallying cry for supporting women's sport generally that our players would recognise and appreciate I think. Even better, you could always just get really specific with a "Go Paxy, Go Birchy, go Goldie" and so on. Or "Go Jules" for maximum niche nickname points.

Caris is stepping away from football after 6 games with the Dees to focus on netball. "Caris was signed on as a training partner with the Melbourne Vixens last year, while she was also selected in the 21 and Under Australian squad." https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/1287524/caris-to-depart I was certain she'd go to another club in need of a ruck, didn't realise netball was in the mix. Best of luck to her.

Seems to be a bit of divided opinion about Harmes's game. Thoughts on his output and role? I feel like he's often a slow starter (in games and in seasons), but with pressure on spots... Also don't forget to mention the epic re-signing announcement for the women's team - I know you won't miss it, but there's so much to discuss, so just making triple sure. That was some intense solidarity in the face of some (relatively speaking) big bucks.