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And yet this trade period we didn’t, in fact Tim Lamb didn’t even spin if we were a destination club after the Houston trade fell apart. He admitted we had issues in an open press conference. Goody also is pretty truthful to a fault. Sure, clubs and players lie about trades, Houston is a great example, Luke Jackson etc etc. But it was clear as day that the president, list manager, head of football, coach and even the GFC list manager weren’t bluffing in this case and yet the media continued to build on the story well after all these people made clear statements, leading to the “cleared out his locker” insanity that continues to be ridiculed. Damian Barrett even used the Oliver situation to call us a “mess of a club” AFTER Oliver stayed (note the Shand review stating while there were issues it was hardly as bad as the media were making out). The reason we are interacting in this thread is you used the idea that Clayton and Geelong were interested in the trade as proof that those of us who believed Green, Lamb, Richo and Goody (and Mackie) and the noises inside that club that Clayton wouldn’t be traded, were somehow wrong, happy clappers, deluded etc. We weren’t, we were 100% right, Clayton was held to his contract and the MFC side was never trading him at any point during the trade period, the Green conversation had already occurred, hence why Lamb and Mackie shut it down day one! I would’ve left it as a simple joke but then you asked me to show my workings and I’ve wasted time trawling through online articles to show you the proof despite the fact most of this happened on trade radio for which there is no searchable archive and is also well documented in the trade thread on here. And yet, even when I send you the links you still reject the truth because ‘clubs lie in trade period’. Cmon mate.

He’s saying it’s still on the table in spite of every Melbourne leader saying it wasn’t. On the table is still happening. It’s more than weasel words, it’s directly contradicting the MFC. Barrett: After Green and Richo say he’s staying: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=383936567988084 After Lamb and Mackie shut it down Fox Sportswww.foxsports.com.auAFL trades 2024: Trade period day 1 live blog, Monday latest news, updates, Jack ... Facebook · AFL Trade Rumours, Draft & Offseason News140+ reactions · 5 months agoGeelong are... - AFL Trade Rumours, Draft & Offseason News And if you want to trawl through trade radio, if there’s an archive somewhere, I can’t find it, he says “I believe Oliver to Geelong still gets done, probably very late in the trade period” on the 14th of October. You can also trawl the Demonland thread if you wish, it’s quoted there somewhere. Enough, it’s over, it was an awful saga for us fans, but the media by refusing to acknowledge senior MFC figures statements, drove a story that was over well beyond when it was done. Mainly at the instigation of GFC in my opinion. Let’s enjoy what the footy holds next week. Enough.

I know. He says “the Oliver trade is still live” despite every senior MFC figure saying it wasn’t. It’s also the easiest clip to google, there are many more but frankly I’m not wasting my time. He’s an MFC player. Those of us who said the MFC wasn’t trading him because we believed Lamb Richo and Green were right. Live in a fantasy where he went to Geelong if you want. I made a joke, sue me, I’m off to a more relevant thread to trawl for info on JVR’s back.

Yes, they did. Here’s Tom Morris saying Clayton is still live to be going to Geelong AFTER Richo Tim Lamb AND Brad Green all put it to bed. McClure did the same thing. Damien Barrett went even harder and said it would definitely happen on the last day. How right they were! https://www.facebook.com/SEN1116/videos/tom-clayton/941809314368544/

You’re absolutely right. Clayton now plays for Geelong, they nailed it! And those of us who said Geelong and Clayton + management were driving the trade but it would never happen as Lamb, Richo, Green and Goody all put it to bed immediately, how wrong we were! It’s going to be hell to see him in the hoops this year but at least we have that new very similar looking number 13 who had 3 goals and 28 disposals and looks alright! 🙄🙄🙄

Brisbane looking at that, of the players they have listed for us the actual list is: AMW SEASON McAdam SEASON Kentfield TBC Hore TBC Tholstrup mid season McVee: Round 4 Kozzie (Susp) Round 4 The rest are all playing or in training. Not great but not terrible. That’s 2 best 22 players NA through injury and suspension early and two fringe players out. Many other clubs the same.

I hope we play our best available team and see if we have learned any lessons about how to handle Freo’s midfield and transition. Maybe Freo won’t show their hand but they destroyed us twice last year in a way that showed they had an advantage not only in form but some deep tactic we couldn’t handle. Our aims should be no injuries, have a good warm up and see what we can do about their midfield to start the season positively. Go Dees.

Is there anywhere to watch this online?

Maybe I’ve missed something but Trac is in the 2K time trial video from today? Looks fit and runs well. Was this pre the rib injury? Same session I assume but after the 2k?

He saw a Magpie fly over.

Kate is, without a doubt, one of the top 5 players in the AFLW. She’d be amongst the first picked for any team alongside Hanks. It’s ridiculous she wasn’t nominated. If Hore had played our Hawthorn game we’d be playing finals. Probably preparing to knock Hawthorn out in straight sets (just btw Hawthorn vs top 4 this year, 0-1. MFC 1-3, Hawthorn vs 5-8 2-0, MFC 1-2. Outside the 8 Hawthorn 8-0, MFC 4-0. Hawthorn’s fixture was a rigged joke!) Moral of the story Kate Hore is a star.

Hoping for: 5. Draper 9. Smillie

Are you able to somehow point me in the direction of the unmentionable story please?

I think we should go mids too, but I’m trying to work out what the thinking is if we don’t. The Lions midfield has been massive beneficiaries of Father/Son and good trading (Neale, Dunkley), Raynor is one of the few early draft picks doing the work for them in there. Pick 5 will be a gamble regardless, but if a star kid is available I hope we pick them. Just saying it’s possible our list management team think Windsor, Tholstrup, Rivers, McVee is a star midfield of the future hence going tall. Also if we’re going for now, a mid makes more sense, which I think we should.

There’s always the possibility we play both Rivers and McVee as mids next year. Then if we take Armstrong at 5 you have: Gawn, Trac, Oliver, Viney, Rivers, McVee, Windsor, Kolt + Kozzie in bursts, Sharp, Brown and potentially pick 9 as your mids. Salem, Bowey, Howes, Taj, Hore, AMW, as your medium/small backs. That’s not a bad list to choose from at all. Plus if one or both of Jeffo and Armstrong come on you have JVR, Jeffo, Armstrong, Verrell vying for your KPF places giving us the luxury of swinging one or both of Petty and Turner back.

Geez we miss Kate Hore. With Beasley out as well we just don’t have the midfield rotations. Also Fitzy seems to be running with Bates who is just torching her with her gut running. That said the call against Zanker in the marking contest was total rubbish. Perfect bodywork in the side, no different to McDonough’s work at the other end. Good to see free kick Hawthorn transcends gender.🙄 Cmon girls! Find a way!

The good: Hanks, Gall, Goldy, Blaithin, McNamara The Bad, Hawks in space and bursting from stoppage while we look slow The ugly: Kelly Underwood hasn’t called a single MFC player correctly. Chaplin was Goldy twice, Hanks was McNamara. FCS. It’s your one job as a commentator! Know the players names and numbers!

Oliver also liked the MFC comment that Cambell was coming to the club. Trolling maybe? His mother also called the reporting a load of 💩. Tim Lamb literally challenged the idea we “shopped him around” and said that it was incorrect day one of trade period, he also challenged the idea Clayton was “desperate to leave” last day of the trade period. The President also made two comments saying he was never being traded as did the head of football. That’s about as strong as a club can go. Pert’s in the middle of two reviews. The board/governance one as a subject and the FD one directly, he shouldn’t being doing media while involved in those processes. Whether it was run of the mill or not is irrelevant they could’ve put Clayton in a cats jumper and had him run laps of GMHBA we were NEVER going to trade him this year. The entire media narrative was the GFC and potentially Clayton’s management putting pressure on us to trade and others whiteanting Pert.

If your version of events is true at the moment when he was at his weakest, with a President who supported him gone and two reviews starting but not organised Pert chose to do something widely seen as his biggest flaw and go rogue on one of the highest profile players at the club after an exit interview against the wishes of the FD, the board and the player himself all at a time when he was most likely to cop a dismissal as a result. Seems likely…

“Self inflicted” = primarily caused by Geelong’s leaking to the media and Clayton’s management putting pressure on the football club. There’s a huge difference between “shopping around” a player and finding out their value. All clubs like to know what all of their players are worth, even if they don’t trade them, or remotely intend to trade them, fact is these conversations happen about a majority of players every year, even if players do t like it. The fact this was leaked so heavily has a lot more to do with Geelong and the media trying to force Melbourne’s hand at a weak moment rather than the club self-inflicting anything. No one was planning to trade Oliver. These private conversations usually stay private, the reasons these didn’t were twofold, destabilise Oliver within the club in the hope you can shake him loose for very little and to attack a seemingly very unpopular Gary Pert. Interesting how mere weeks after Roffey’s departure the blowtorch turned fully on Pert, almost like there’s people out there with axes to grind against him or something….

I believe that also. What a hero!

Lamb says it in his final trade week presser at 3.20. Says “I spoke to Trac, he messaged me the other night after we got pick 9, he’s like a big kid he’s that excited and that happy and ready to go ”. I think Lamb also says something similar in his MFC site interview. If you want to get into semantics of text vs call go for it. Contrary to media like Barrett, Lamb is not a liar, he plays the draft game, but he doesn’t lie. Even if you think it is it’s risky to lie about a “disgruntled” current player who can simply prove him wrong. I believe him.

This article from Barrett sounds like a petulant ten year old, “clap clap”? Pathetic. It’s not even accurate, the “positive spin” on our trade period is that we got pick 9 and go into a super draft with two top ten picks. You can argue we overpaid, that our first round pick next year will be higher than 9 because we’re going to have a terrible year (I disagree). But this is clearly a pathetic dummy spit that the “ last minute Geelong offer” that the club was going to “have to take” that he was banging on about in his last one of these sliding doors, never came to pass. Also that his shots at Pert haven’t landed yet, our “mess of a club” is completing its reviews, ensuring due process and going about its business. Trac called Lamb to congratulate him on pick 9, while Clayton loves the club and will come out and say so. Meanwhile Tim Lamb sat and had three sausage rolls on the last day of trade week and talked about pick swaps as Damo looks like a fool because his narrative, that Lamb was lying and Clayton was desperate to leave looks less true than, Richo, Green, Goodwin and Lambs narrative that they were never trading him and while Geelong had Clayton’s interest he was never going and was ok with that. Barrett clearly, clearly, hates our CEO personally, and hates our club and is not impartial with his reporting, remember that next time.

I think Verall is the one. His best play has been as a ruck/forward. Not a first ruck. He takes good marks, is athletic for a big man but not quite big crash and bash enough for the monster rucks. He was forced to play No 1 ruck more than he should’ve with Fullarton a bust, now with Cambell I can see him playing forward/ruck and earning an AFL place. We may well go JVR, Turner, Verall forward and send Petty back again. Then there’s the enigmatic Jeffo, who could be anything, or nothing.

I was just about to write just that. Apparently there are players from up to three other clubs, the majority NOT being MFC players.