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I was hoping we were just trying some things and bringing underdone players in that game, alas it looks like we’ve fallen off the cliff. The shocking thing is there is a spot right there for a Tomlinson or an Adams and they’ve both been so poor. Disappointing.

This might be the worst Casey performance for a long time. Losing Smith and Brayshaw from the list, plus the injuries to Turner, Sestan and Melksham have spread us too thin.

Bailey Laurie is NOT a mid. That clearance was the prime example, fumbles the ball to Hawthorns 50, misses a tackle clearance Hawthorn. He has some crafty things for a HF or small forward but he’s not a mid, this needs to end.

BBB has done us a huge favour. I’d imagine the FD were hoping he would be a stop gap for us and help us eke out a win before we could bring Petty back. Instead he was so outstanding he gives Harrison another week to gain form and fitness in the VFL. Brown’s marking and competing in the air were brilliant as always but his work on the ground was the best it’s been since 2021. If he can play 10-15 games like that this year look out! Windsor, TMac and Billings were also a revelation. Unless someone is sore and needs a rest no change this week. Hopefully Harrison can dominate at VFL level and demand his spot as I think Petty-JVR is our best tall forward mix and Brown will need done managing. Still buzzing from that win and very much hoping we can smash those Hawks!

I think we need to be careful with what’s in the media on this as as we saw with Kozzie, Oliver, Petty and numerous others Cornes, the old Rendell gang (RIP), Barrett etc have much more positive relations with Port and Adelaide than they do with our club. Especially after a number of those people went our club and particularly our coach, so hard in the off-season, to the point apologies were required. The Kozzie trade talk was all engineered by Port, attempting to give them an advantage, also the Oliver to Adelaide story and most of what we are hearing with regards to Petty is coming from Adelaide as well. Our club isn’t perfect but it would appear we don’t leak unintentionally (Oliver was clearly intentional and made Adelaide and their media look very silly!). The Petty situation is unique. Conventional wisdom would say if he’s thinking of going after the contract is over, conventionally we would trade him at the end of this year so we get something for him. However, he may be worth more to us for two years where he puts us in premiership contention and allows our young KPFs to develop than the extra picks we may get at this years end. And ultimately he’s contracted and it’s our call. All the other noise is Adelaide types trying to get him earlier, buyer beware.

Bump. Remember when we should trade Petty immediately as he’d already peaked and was close to needing his leg amputated? I generally stay quiet and just read this forum as I very rarely have information or am able to attend training (thanks to all training reporters and six6six for his excellent photos they are a lifesaver at this time of year!) .But I now understand why those who do have good information often leave and no longer post here. My statement on Petty was accurate and the info came from a good source but because it ran contra to the AFL media narrative and because people were upset at the time I was jumped on. Until the culture on here changes and people can share info that runs contrary to what is out in the public without being jumped on this wonderful forum won’t be able to live to its full potential as many will stay silent when they could share. Petty is actually ahead of the time frame I provided, but he’s a long way from not playing this season. Obviously there’s a long way to go and chance will play a part but so far, so good.

Could one surmise from that that maybe the club didn’t adequately address those issues? 3 leaders and their best players still walk after the club was told to clean up its act…. Collingwood has a history of wanting to look like it’s dealing with serious prejudice without actually dealing with it… Do Better cough cough

It’s appalling isn’t it. Almost everything CFC on that list is a serious crime, the club cleans up for them. There’s a patterns there of seriously disgusting attitudes and behaviour to women also.

DEE fence is bang on, the silence is deafening. MFC wins the trophy and 1mil for being the most consistent club across AFL and AFLW and radio silence from AFL.com. Instead an article about how important top ten picks are (duh!). MFC has been the benchmark across all three competitions AFL, AFLW, VFL for three years now. We’ve won 3 premierships (and counting with AFLW23 still to play) 4 GFs, finished in the top 4 8 times, made 9 final series and easily been the best club over this period. But what are they reporting on? A smear campaign against our coach and his family from 2020-21. What are our real issues?Joel Smith is an [censored] who did coke in season. Clayton Oliver is immature and has some issues, Stephen May is confident and has a big mouth, leading to one stupid fight with his teammates and a statement about CFC that annoyed them (despite being true!). That’s it. Compare that to CFC: Magpies deny players involvement in elicit video (off-season 2023): https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/collingwood-magpies/magpies-deny-players-involved-in-explicit-viral-video-and-warn-fans-of-criminal-offence/news-story/1527df5feed42453ba45d130f819cb56 Ginnivan at the races pre GF: https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/09/30/magpies-defend-ginnivan-over-trip-to-the-races-before-grand-final-everyone-just-relax-and-chill/amp/ Jack Crisps alleged sexting exchange with an underage girl 2023: https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/jack-crisps-next-move-revealed-after-afl-completes-investigation-into-inappropriate-video-c-10314050.amp Jack Ginnivan allegedly does ketamine with players preaseason 2023: https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101994502 Jordan Degoey’s litany of mysognistic misdemeanours: https://amp.9news.com.au/article/384aa7b0-45be-4488-8f9c-d9c1f2e1191f Quaynor and Ginnivan rate women’s appearance in online video: https://www.foxsports.com.au/web-stories/free/fox-sports/jack-ginnivan-and-isaac-quaynor-apologise-for-tiktok-video Steele Sidebottom goes out drunk during COVID restrictions: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8477947/amp/AFL-star-Steele-Sidebottom-drunk-does-not-remember-breaking-COVID-19-rules.html The “do better report”: https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2021/feb/01/collingwood-afl-clubs-culture-of-structural-racism-condemned-in-scathing-report Wow what an incredible “culture” led to this years flag, it’s almost like winning premierships is possible even with a team of misbehaving DH’s as long as they are good at football. But no, it’s probably Darcy Moore’s ability to deliver a year 10 level debate speech and Craig MacRae and the Daicos’s being nice guys, I’m sure that’s an impeccable “culcha”. It’s nice to confirm the bias against us in the AFL media, which was largely under the surface until now. They hate us and will never praise us as a “big club” (within 10k and 16k of Hawthorn and Essendon with a higher average home attendance but never acknowledge that). Time for us to start calling them out often and loudly, or stop listening to and watching their rubbish as Robbo, Warner at the Hun are out for us as are Damo, Cornes and others at AFL.com. Stuff em.

What does the reporter ask when Lamb just glares and says “No”. I just can’t hear it. Why can’t they give the journos microphones?!

For me he’s better suited to the role we were having Jordon play in 2022. And might give Hunter or Langdon a scare if they don’t pull their fingers out. He’s quick, a good runner, good field kick (has shocking goal kicking yips though) and hasn’t ever really had a chance to put his best out there consistently. This is some of the midfield depth we lost with Jordon and Harmes, not inside depth, but depth that complements our inside mid strength (Oliver, Viney, Trac, Sparrow). Shrewd and cheap.

I really don’t rate him. I watched a lot of the Hawks this year, both at VFL and AFL level Koschitzke is just that little bit off. NQR. I don’t think we’ve missed out there. Mitchell Lewis on the other hand is a dead set gun…

If we can go into the draft with pick 6, 11, McAdam, Fullarton, Billings and a backup ruck like Lycett we’ll have done incredibly well. Billings as wing depth, two potential ruck options should Gawny get sore or need a rest and some x-factor for the forwardline. That ticks all our boxes. Not to mention some potential gun mids or a move for one exceptional talent. Go Dees!

A question about McAdam is if he comes how do we clear list spots to use our draft picks? We currently have two senior list spots and two A Rookie spots (according to the excellent work of the list thread). If we bring in McAdam we only have one senior list spot left. And that’s if we move Melksham to the rookie list to fill one of the two A rookie spots (if that’s even allowed?). Assuming we are taking at least one, maybe two or three draft picks who are we dropping from the list?

Can Melksham be offered a rookie contract similar to what we did with Mitch Brown a few years ago or have the rules changed?

Absolutely, I’m sorry if I’ve mixed up your comments with others also. Ironic that I be so petty in the Petty thread huh? All good.

That says neither that he will play round one, nor that he is fine, nor that he is 100%. You have to admit that. You made all three of those things up and if that’s your only quote you have proven my point. I have heard his program is tailored to have him playing early next year. I believe in our program, Harry and choose to be optimistic. I may be wrong, I’m not Nostradamus, but I certainly don’t think the tone that was pervading in this thread at the time of, we should trade him as his value will never be higher is as likely as what I have posted. Take it or leave it.

Sorry, I was getting a bit overly combative in this thread. The “Petty will never be at higher value” with the implication “two serious foot injuries” would mean he never play well enough to warrant higher draft picks in the next two year discussion triggered me. I think he will be far higher value as a two time premiership full forward who kicks 50 goals two seasons in a row. I also agree our club is very good at being leak proof and doing a sterling job on that front. Sometimes I think we do too good a job as I think two months into Harry’s recovery probably warrants an update. Hence why I posted what I’ve heard, I rarely do. I could of course be wrong, not because of bad info but because the world is cruel. As Webber says even if the Lisfranc heals quickly and permanently there is a chance of other injuries being caused by a range of factors in the recovery process. I’m choosing to bet on what I’ve heard, our program and Harry, I could be wrong, chance is cruel. After all our AFLW team lost a pivotal game due to Paxy having a concussion incident with her dog! Anything can happen. But the narrative that Petty should be traded now because he’s not going to improve his value, or too injured, is just pure negativity and triggered me. Sorry.

No one said he was 100% fine. Quote that comment. Setbacks happen, no one can predict the future, you have no idea who I am or what I do and certainly won’t be saying given the vitriol on here. Ive heard there’s a chance he’s back in the early part of the season, that’s still a 6/7 month recovery. Take it or leave it. Berate me in March If i turn out to be wrong. But don’t make stuff up.

I had heard that Harrison’s injury was serious. But that he would be doing light running after Xmas. Low impact training throughout Jan/Feb with an eye to joining full training in late Feb/March and playing in the early part of the season if there’s no major setbacks. He had surgery in August, that’s 6-7 months out, that’s very serious, more serious than Frittas 8-10 weeks. I know you know people from inside the club so I’d suggest you ask Fritta when he thinks Harry will be back next time. See if I’m full of it.

So you’re saying trade him now because he’s crippled and won’t play good footy again? You’re assuming Burgess and Adelaide are stupid and haven’t done their due diligence? He’ll play early next year. Bet on it.

Petty will have a higher trade value in SA next year. Both SA clubs will be in a position to trade for him, PA will have the picks from Butters leaving at a minimum, the Crows, despite the hype will still have decent draft picks. No Doodee, No Petty, very few good backs, a decent but not outstanding midfield, Walker a year older, they’re finishing 7-12. The revisionism here is incredible, Petty had an injury interrupted year THIS year, he’s 23, he’s not getting worse in future. He missed 5 games with a foot THIS YEAR in the middle of the season, came back and then missed the final 6 games again. His form was patchy, he played back, then forward, then back again and then finally forward where he struck form, for two and a half games. After a full preseason in one position, next to an older, stronger JVR, Petty will rip it up next year. He won’t miss “all of preseason” he’ll be back doing light running when we return and doing modified training after Xmas, fitness wise he’ll have a great chance to build a good base. The “Petty’s value will never be higher” argument is coming from Adelaide, it’s the only reason MFC would CONSIDER moving him on. It’s malarkey.

I think Petty may well be ready for round one but if he isn’t I think it will be: One of Brown, Fullarton or Schache (back up Ruck), JVR, Smith, Fritsch, Chandler, ANB, and one of Laurie, Woey or Spargo (I forgot Kozzie is suspended, or blanked it from my memory) Who are you replacing? Do you really want to only have JVR as backup ruck and no true tall forward when he’s rucking? Clearly we’re drafting McAdam to play, I don’t have a problem with us getting him, but he’s replacing someone in the forwardline I’ve just listed and the only options I see are Smith or Fritsch. I don’t think we will go small. I don’t know enough about him to know but is he an upgrade on those two? That’s my confusion.

Yep, I remember, what a load of horse [censored]! While that shoulder plunging thug is walking around with a premiership medal. What a wonderful system the MRP is.

So you are suggesting that our round one forwardline will be: JVR (backup ruck duties also), Fritsch, McAdam, Smith, Kozzie, Chandler, ANB. That’s dynamic for sure, but our field kicking will need to improve markedly because only one maybe two of those players has a remote chance of taking a big contested mark.