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This is what makes it clear there’s a media agenda against us as opposed to just some negative stuff going on. The Oliver trade to Geelong was clearly an attempt but it didn’t happen for a number of reasons, many will remain rumours forever as they relate specifically to what two or three people did or rumours about what they did and what they were feeling. Instead of letting dead dogs lie, accepting it was something to report on and its over now they attempt to keep the story alive ALL YEAR in an attempt to make it more true in retrospect and to try to besmirch the people who shut the story down at the time, because it wasn’t happening and didn’t happen. It’s pathetic and seems to be aimed at our club more than most. Sam McClure knows this is nothing to do with the Geelong trade and that Clayton has had serious issues that it’s good he’s now putting his hand up when they overwhelm him. Instead of showing due sensitivity to him or even acknowledging the positive step for Clayton instead he uses it as an opportunity to air his story, again. Pathetic. A certain nasty rumour which was aimed at our coach for the better part of four years and was apologised for, admitted got “out of hand” and wasn’t true in the end of of a certain court proceeding earlier this year is another example. The entire footy media knew it wasn’t true years ago, but they kept it out there, just to destabilise our club and undermine our coach. Hurting our ability as fans to enjoy one of the most successful and competitive periods in the clubs last fifty years. And now here we go again…. I used to love all footy media, even the really bad shows like the Sunday footy show and footy classified. Now I can’t watch any of them as if they’re not ripping us apart off field they’re implying nasty rumours that they will later use to rip us apart off field. Besides MFC’s actual games there is so little football media that is trustworthy or enjoyable for us as MFC fans. It’s all Collingwood and Hawthorn fluffing and small club bullying. How can that be a sustainable model?

They have been all season. They murdered us with these calls in our Geelong game. Geelong’s first goal came from a call that a kick to May that was clearly 20m was play on and Kozzie marked on a lead at a crucial point in the third quarter to be called play on despite it being 25m easy. Kills the game. And then there was the Lever to Viney kick in the last quarter of the GWS game…

Watching Wines play ruck for Port today is there any chance we put Langford in as a backup ruck when Maxy needs a rest? He’s a tall lad and strongly built, might work? I’d prefer not put Petty in there.

With Turner coming in effectively for Oliver I think he definitely goes back, Rivers to replace Oliver’s midfield minutes and play predominantly in the guts this week. Like many I’m mystified by Melksham’s selection, not because his form is bad, but because I don’t see how our forward line functions with both Melk and Fritsch there, too short for contested marks, too tall for extra pressure and crumbing. Also Petty has finally had a couple of decent weeks as a forward and we throw him into backup ruck changing his whole role? Also if the logic is JVR needs a few more weeks at VFL to gain form I could see that, but there’s a bye and he’s in WA so it feels a bit like cutting off our nose to spite our face. If as many are alluding to there’s a mystery injury of the week in the forward line and JVR plays forward ruck with one of Melksham/Fritsch playing sub that makes far more sense to me. Use Sharp’s athletic ability for more of the game against an unfit WC and have a utility type to sub in.

And Selwood in 2018 and beyond. The football media’s goldfish memory is astounding, Viney has played the tagging role well in the past and Goodwin was his coach then. I hope he renacts his famous grab the arm don’t argue tackle a few times this week and wears Harley like a cheap suit.

Interesting week, lots of players vying for spots and plenty in decent form too. Huge game, win and win well and our season has a faint pulse, lose and we’re done. What we put up against WC in Perth last year was embarrassing, I hope the boys remember and it spurs them on to make a statement. Oprions: JVR, AJ Or TC for Fullarton Melksham for Tholstrup or Fritsch Turner or Adams if May is out or potentially Turner in with Riv returning to the midfield and someone else out, Sharp out as sub maybe? I think the Turner forward experiment should end. He looked like peak Jake Lever in the Freo game and should get the chance to show more of that. My guess is In JVR Turner Melksham Out Fullerton, Fritsch, Sharp Tholstrup to sub Although Ghosty just mentioned there’s a vibe around TC at training so maybe he comes in for Fullerton and JVR keeps working on his leading in the VFL. That’d be really interesting, I think TC could compete aerially as well if not better than Fullerton forward, offers a lot more in the ruck, the only downside being he’s slow, but with only two/one tall forwards for most of the game that could work?

Balta’s not playing in either the VFL nor AFL. He can’t play night games due to his curfew of 10pm which rules him out of AFL and the club have given him the week off VFL as it’s “been a big week for him”. McVee must play AFL. It’s easy to forget how good he is but he’s a star, we’ve really missed him. Great defender, good one on one, quick, good skills, good teammate. Great in. I hope May gets up too. I really hope Melksham gets up too, this may be harsh as I love Fritta and he’s been such a gun for us but what he’s been doing without the ball this season is not up to it. He lacks intensity and does what I used to do in junior footy (a shocking indictment), he makes it look like he’s chasing and pressuring but mainly just corrals and never gets close enough or desperate enough for real pressure. He’s also missed some sitters, that round one snap to put us four goals up still haunts me. I’d like to see him rip it up at VFL level this week to earn his place, plus Melksham does many things well and is important for leading our forward line. I’d stick with Fullarton, Cambell needs game time, and Fullo did enough last week to earn another go against the Richmond second rucks.

I like this team. I think having AJ and Jeffo with JVR makes for a more dynamic forward setup, particularly as I think AJ will ruck more than he usually would against a depleted GWS ruck lineup allowing us to both rest Max and throw him forward. Also AJ is tough, he will take the pressure off JVR to crash every contest and should give him a chance to get some looks on a lead. The downside might be that it does mean Fritsch MUST play with intensity and tackle, we saw some of it this preseason but we also saw him look disinterested and not chase also, I hope he brings his intent. He’ll get good looks as a third/fourth forward but he needs to bring a pressure game. Finally we get to see JVR as a permanent full forward!! Rip em apart Roo!! Jeffo did some good things against North, I like Disco but he hasn’t set the world on fire in the PS games. If Jefferson brings his best it could be exciting and we won’t lose a heap. Langford and Lindsay are class, GWS are lacking inside mids and with Green either not playing or coming back from a calf having another bull to throw in there allowing Trac, Clarry and Viney to be thrown forward at stages is huge! Lindsay looked at home against Freo, I’m excited to see him. Also while I’m excited to see what Henderson can do geez Kynan Brown is stiff, tackling machine, quick, does some nice things. Looked good when he came in against North in preseason. Would’ve thought he’d be a chance. Go Dees!

I know his stats look good but it didn’t feel like a good Toby Greene game. Two of those goals were from free kicks, one a particularly dodgy ducking one where Viney caught him high and another that was also dubious in a marking contest I think? My memory is he barely touched it in the first half with McVee starring, could be wrong though, I was at the game and my memory is coloured by heckling Greene a lot in the first half. Wish he’d been suspended this week though, even his quiet games like that one are damaging. And I don’t know who we have to shut him down.

I still remember how good we were for three quarters against GWS last year with no Trac, half fit Clarry, no Salem, Max returning from injury, Windsor looking tired and sore and Lever on one leg. They only beat us by two points as Hogan got on top of TMac for five minutes and they piled on the goals. We were 5 goals up at quarter time. This is winnable, especially with a fit Trac, Clayton, Max and Lever. McVee being injured hurts us as he put a warm blanket on Toby Green last time and our record without Kozzie in the team is pretty woeful, Melksham, ANW and ANB were also important last time. But the additions of Langford, XL, Petty back and Sharp give me hope that we can hold our own. Also Max against no recognised ruckman must be exploited and could be the key. Dees by 5 goals.

Toby Green to be suspended for a boot to the face of Maynard would be chef’s kiss beautiful.

GWS are REALLY committed to dumb skits huh?!

Seriously?!

What happened to Hogan? Will he miss next week?

I hate both these teams so much. I hope the coin flip hits me in the head and knocks me out so I don’t have to choose. I’m going to barrack for (minor) injuries.

And yet this trade period we didn’t, in fact Tim Lamb didn’t even spin if we were a destination club after the Houston trade fell apart. He admitted we had issues in an open press conference. Goody also is pretty truthful to a fault. Sure, clubs and players lie about trades, Houston is a great example, Luke Jackson etc etc. But it was clear as day that the president, list manager, head of football, coach and even the GFC list manager weren’t bluffing in this case and yet the media continued to build on the story well after all these people made clear statements, leading to the “cleared out his locker” insanity that continues to be ridiculed. Damian Barrett even used the Oliver situation to call us a “mess of a club” AFTER Oliver stayed (note the Shand review stating while there were issues it was hardly as bad as the media were making out). The reason we are interacting in this thread is you used the idea that Clayton and Geelong were interested in the trade as proof that those of us who believed Green, Lamb, Richo and Goody (and Mackie) and the noises inside that club that Clayton wouldn’t be traded, were somehow wrong, happy clappers, deluded etc. We weren’t, we were 100% right, Clayton was held to his contract and the MFC side was never trading him at any point during the trade period, the Green conversation had already occurred, hence why Lamb and Mackie shut it down day one! I would’ve left it as a simple joke but then you asked me to show my workings and I’ve wasted time trawling through online articles to show you the proof despite the fact most of this happened on trade radio for which there is no searchable archive and is also well documented in the trade thread on here. And yet, even when I send you the links you still reject the truth because ‘clubs lie in trade period’. Cmon mate.

He’s saying it’s still on the table in spite of every Melbourne leader saying it wasn’t. On the table is still happening. It’s more than weasel words, it’s directly contradicting the MFC. Barrett: After Green and Richo say he’s staying: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=383936567988084 After Lamb and Mackie shut it down Fox Sportswww.foxsports.com.auAFL trades 2024: Trade period day 1 live blog, Monday latest news, updates, Jack ... Facebook · AFL Trade Rumours, Draft & Offseason News140+ reactions · 5 months agoGeelong are... - AFL Trade Rumours, Draft & Offseason News And if you want to trawl through trade radio, if there’s an archive somewhere, I can’t find it, he says “I believe Oliver to Geelong still gets done, probably very late in the trade period” on the 14th of October. You can also trawl the Demonland thread if you wish, it’s quoted there somewhere. Enough, it’s over, it was an awful saga for us fans, but the media by refusing to acknowledge senior MFC figures statements, drove a story that was over well beyond when it was done. Mainly at the instigation of GFC in my opinion. Let’s enjoy what the footy holds next week. Enough.

I know. He says “the Oliver trade is still live” despite every senior MFC figure saying it wasn’t. It’s also the easiest clip to google, there are many more but frankly I’m not wasting my time. He’s an MFC player. Those of us who said the MFC wasn’t trading him because we believed Lamb Richo and Green were right. Live in a fantasy where he went to Geelong if you want. I made a joke, sue me, I’m off to a more relevant thread to trawl for info on JVR’s back.

Yes, they did. Here’s Tom Morris saying Clayton is still live to be going to Geelong AFTER Richo Tim Lamb AND Brad Green all put it to bed. McClure did the same thing. Damien Barrett went even harder and said it would definitely happen on the last day. How right they were! https://www.facebook.com/SEN1116/videos/tom-clayton/941809314368544/

You’re absolutely right. Clayton now plays for Geelong, they nailed it! And those of us who said Geelong and Clayton + management were driving the trade but it would never happen as Lamb, Richo, Green and Goody all put it to bed immediately, how wrong we were! It’s going to be hell to see him in the hoops this year but at least we have that new very similar looking number 13 who had 3 goals and 28 disposals and looks alright! 🙄🙄🙄

Brisbane looking at that, of the players they have listed for us the actual list is: AMW SEASON McAdam SEASON Kentfield TBC Hore TBC Tholstrup mid season McVee: Round 4 Kozzie (Susp) Round 4 The rest are all playing or in training. Not great but not terrible. That’s 2 best 22 players NA through injury and suspension early and two fringe players out. Many other clubs the same.

I hope we play our best available team and see if we have learned any lessons about how to handle Freo’s midfield and transition. Maybe Freo won’t show their hand but they destroyed us twice last year in a way that showed they had an advantage not only in form but some deep tactic we couldn’t handle. Our aims should be no injuries, have a good warm up and see what we can do about their midfield to start the season positively. Go Dees.

Is there anywhere to watch this online?

Maybe I’ve missed something but Trac is in the 2K time trial video from today? Looks fit and runs well. Was this pre the rib injury? Same session I assume but after the 2k?

He saw a Magpie fly over.